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Old Jan 22, 2019 | 01:26 PM
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I have to laugh when I hear about the F350 being a stiffer ride. It’s only a matter of tire inflation. F350 equals 80 pounds F250 usually equals 65. Lower the air pressure and they ride the same.
 
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Old Jan 22, 2019 | 05:25 PM
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I can’t figure out all these 250/350 debates. I got a base payload 250 dieselwith a rating of 2000lbs. I wanted the softer ride because what I haul doesn’t require anymore payload than that. If I need more I’ll just add the hd front springs from the plow prep package and add the oem helper spring in the rear and poof just like magic I’ll add enough payload to be a 350 trapped in a 250 body. Had a 19 platinum diesel come in today that had me beat by 1300lbs ish.
 
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Old Jan 22, 2019 | 06:25 PM
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Pulled my registration and there is no "GVW" field, but it did list EW = 7,023, GW = 10,000 and GVWR = 10,000.
Oddly enough, wife's 2018 Explorer Ltd said EW = 4,562, GW = (blank) and GVWR = 10,000!
Yes, it goes off of GW (same as GVW). If it is 10,000 or less, you qualify for personal tags (no truck tags) and the tax relief.
 
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Old Jan 22, 2019 | 06:56 PM
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I have to laugh when I hear about the F350 being a stiffer ride. It’s only a matter of tire inflation. F350 equals 80 pounds F250 usually equals 65. Lower the air pressure and they ride the same.
F350 has a different axle, different rear spring pack, and can have different tires. Its not just, deflate the tires and call it a day. Nor is it, inflate your tires and now you magically have an F350.
 
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Old Jan 22, 2019 | 08:21 PM
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Referencing the attached SD specs, shows the facts, and gets rid of the guess-work above.
 
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Old Jan 22, 2019 | 08:35 PM
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Since you are not asking about tax status I'll skip that rat hole.

The single biggest reason Ford produces the F250 is to stay under the USDOT definition of a commercial vehicle which is 10,001 lbs GVWR

From your attached picture it looks like you are towing a bumper-pull Keystone similar to the one I pulled before trading for a toy hauler. If that is the case, I would put air bags on the Platinum and load it up. You will be fine! Mine pulled it like a dream! Anyone that says the truck isn't capable of more than the payload listed on your sticker is misinformed!

My perspective on why this is possible is the F250's limiting factors are tires and springs. Springs could be addressed in a number of ways. I use air bags. They do a good job of keeping the truck from squatting. The tire weight ratings should not be exceeded. If you keep your weights under the tires' max you would have to drive it and see if you are comfortable. For me, after towing a heavy tongue weight toy hauler 3,400lbs I decided to upgrade to a DRW. It just didn't seem as stable as I would like for cross country trips.
 
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Old Jan 22, 2019 | 09:16 PM
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Its really not the tires as they run the same tires on the 350/250 srw. Its the Sterling 10.5 axle and that limits you to 22,500 GCWR in an F250. You can pretty much max out a 14k rated gooseneck with that combo. Most trailers above that put you in CDL territory.

The F250 isnt trying to avoid any Dot rules its just how the math works out. If you are paranoid about it register you trailer to 12,500 knowing weight will be on the truck too while on the road?

The srw f350 is a bit of an odd ball and a newfangled setup in the last decade or so. Probably for Travel trailer crowds that want to pull a tad more but cant fit a DRW into their life.
 
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Old Jan 23, 2019 | 02:40 AM
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Inferior transmission? Everyone I've talked to or read about, thinks the current tranny is pretty darn good.
The Selectshift-G is only available in the 250
 
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Old Jan 23, 2019 | 06:47 AM
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I thought it was degenerating into door sticker - weight police crap.

It didn't really and my post was not helpful.
 

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Old Jan 23, 2019 | 09:46 AM
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Since you are not asking about tax status I'll skip that rat hole.

The single biggest reason Ford produces the F250 is to stay under the USDOT definition of a commercial vehicle which is 10,001 lbs GVWR

From your attached picture it looks like you are towing a bumper-pull Keystone similar to the one I pulled before trading for a toy hauler. If that is the case, I would put air bags on the Platinum and load it up. You will be fine! Mine pulled it like a dream! Anyone that says the truck isn't capable of more than the payload listed on your sticker is misinformed!

My perspective on why this is possible is the F250's limiting factors are tires and springs. Springs could be addressed in a number of ways. I use air bags. They do a good job of keeping the truck from squatting. The tire weight ratings should not be exceeded. If you keep your weights under the tires' max you would have to drive it and see if you are comfortable. For me, after towing a heavy tongue weight toy hauler 3,400 lbs. I decided to upgrade to a DRW. It just didn't seem as stable as I would like for cross country trips.
I am not concerned about towing my current trailer although I am certain that I'm already close to the "sticker" payload. I tend to have a generator, firewood, etc. in the bed. I have not scaled the setup yet but know from past experience that the tongue weight on this trailer is minimum 1200 lbs. and probably more like 1400 lbs. Two full tanks of propane, two batteries, and all of the available storage in the front garage area leads to a big number. I think the listed dry tongue weight is 750 lbs or so...totally unrealistic. I have only towed the trailer one time (with this truck) and the truck was level. With the WD hitch, it just settled on the overloads.
 
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Old Jan 23, 2019 | 11:27 AM
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Its really not the tires as they run the same tires on the 350/250 srw. Its the Sterling 10.5 axle and that limits you to 22,500 GCWR in an F250. You can pretty much max out a 14k rated gooseneck with that combo. Most trailers above that put you in CDL territory.

The F250 isnt trying to avoid any Dot rules its just how the math works out. If you are paranoid about it register you trailer to 12,500 knowing weight will be on the truck too while on the road?

The srw f350 is a bit of an odd ball and a newfangled setup in the last decade or so. Probably for Travel trailer crowds that want to pull a tad more but cant fit a DRW into their life.
The F250 (and every other 3/4 ton truck) does exist to fit into the under 10,000 lbs. GVWR Class 2 vehicle slot. It isn't "just how the math works out" because there is no math involved in assigning the GVWR. That is why for years the only difference between a F250 and a F350 was the height of the block in the rear. The trucks were identically equipped otherwise but one was rated at 10,000 lbs. and the other 11,500 lbs. There are now some mechanical differences between the F350 and the typical F250 but the distinction is mostly driven by tax and registration/regulatory issues not by how the truck is equipped.

I do not have a typical F250. My truck is equipped with the 3"/21,000 lbs. hitch, the Dana M275 axle (same as every SRW F350), 5600 lbs. front springs, and overloads. It is rated to conventionally tow 18,000 lbs and the GCWR is 25,700 lbs. The only reason Ford offers the High Capacity Trailer Tow Package is so that one can purchase a Class 2 truck with near Class 3 capability. The HCTTP even cost the same as the upgrade from a 250 to a 350. If there wasn't a market for people trying to avoid the class 3 rating, Ford wouldn't offer the package. It is a tax and registration shell game.

Because the GVWR is static and assigned, equipping any truck with options that undeniably increase it's capability also decrease it's stated capacity. Diesel engines, high capacity hitches and heavy duty axles are, welll...heavy. That is why focusing on the artificial GVWR as opposed to the actual equipment installed on a truck strikes me as counter intuitive. I seriously don't understand the mindset of purchasing a DRW F350, XL,6.2, extra cab just to bolster the payload sticker. I can guarantee you that from a mechanical perspective, the same truck in Lariat trim with a 6.7 is not less capable no matter what the payload sticker says. Hey, if the lower trim, gas engine truck is what you truly want/need/can afford, great. If you are sacrificing anything just for the sake of increasing "capacity" on a sticker, that seems silly to me.
 
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Old Jan 23, 2019 | 11:51 AM
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Yeah it reminds me of that stupid payload video some guy posted on this site awhile back.

But anyway. You are kinda correct about registered weight but the 10.5 axle is the limiting factor in that you cant go past 22,500 GCWR and with most F250s that would max a 14k trailer out. Most trailers over 14k get you into CDL territory. Ford knows what they are doing and there is no reason to install heavier useless components if not needed.


Also instead of the high capacity tow package you could have got a 10,000/9900 derated F350. Unless your purchase had something to do with going over 26,000 GCWR on your white sticker.
 
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Yeah it reminds me of that stupid payload video some guy posted on this site awhile back.

But anyway. You are kinda correct about registered weight but the 10.5 axle is the limiting factor in that you cant go past 22,500 GCWR and with most F250s that would max a 14k trailer out. Most trailers over 14k get you into CDL territory. Ford knows what they are doing and there is no reason to install heavier useless components if not needed.


Also instead of the high capacity tow package you could have got a 10,000/9900 derated F350. Unless your purchase had something to do with going over 26,000 GCWR on your white sticker.
Because of extenuating circumstances discussed earlier in the thread, a class 3 truck, derated or not, wasn't an option. If you are a GVWR/payload sticker devotee, a derated F350 and an F250 are the same truck...one must adhere to the 10,000 lbs. GVWR no matter the configuration. If you use the truck to it's capability, you will exceed it's capacity. Another reason why devotion to the gross vehicle weight rating and payload sticker without the application of logic is counter intuitive.
 
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Old Jan 23, 2019 | 12:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Joe T
Yeah it reminds me of that stupid payload video some guy posted on this site awhile back.

But anyway. You are kinda correct about registered weight but the 10.5 axle is the limiting factor in that you cant go past 22,500 GCWR and with most F250s that would max a 14k trailer out. Most trailers over 14k get you into CDL territory. Ford knows what they are doing and there is no reason to install heavier useless components if not needed.


Also instead of the high capacity tow package you could have got a 10,000/9900 derated F350. Unless your purchase had something to do with going over 26,000 GCWR on your white sticker.
You can go past 22.5k GCWR. DOT has ruled that your GCWR is the max or the GVWR of the truck + the GVWR of the trailer, whichever is greater. You just can't exceed the axle weights or any other components max. You can reach cdl weights, but here we have farm exceptions and nationwide you have rv exceptions to the cdl.

 
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Because of extenuating circumstances discussed earlier in the thread, a class 3 truck, derated or not, wasn't an option. If you are a GVWR/payload sticker devotee, a derated F350 and an F250 are the same truck...one must adhere to the 10,000 lbs. GVWR no matter the configuration. If you use the truck to it's capability, you will exceed it's capacity. Another reason why devotion to the gross vehicle weight rating and payload sticker without the application of logic is counter intuitive.
On the flip side you could have a special use for an F350 such as running a moderate weighted service body but also needing to pull a heavy conventional pull trailer. The derate would work for that.
 
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