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Old Jan 7, 2019 | 03:55 PM
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Carborator for 302 issues

Any had an issue like this....new aftermarket carb....the bowl on bottom beneath acceleration pump is to deep and hits intake....on 77 f100 302 engine......pics in comments
 

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Any had an issue like this....new aftermarket carb....the bowl on bottom beneath acceleration pump is to deep and hits intake....on 77 f100 302 engine.



 
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Old Jan 7, 2019 | 04:20 PM
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You should be able to swap the cover. It is just the cover for the power valve.
 
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Old Jan 7, 2019 | 05:19 PM
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Deep cover is used for the two-stage type power valve.
 
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Use a 1/2" phenolic spacer. It'll raise the carburetor, and reduce chance of fuel boil.
 
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Old Jan 7, 2019 | 06:50 PM
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Originally Posted by ranger140892
Use a 1/2" phenolic spacer. It'll raise the carburetor, and reduce chance of fuel boil.
That's an excellent idea, though maybe a 1", didn't pretty much everything have a 1/2" spacer already?
 
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Old Jan 7, 2019 | 09:59 PM
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So I'm guessing changing the bowl will not work....is ok to use 2 1/2 gaskets ???? Or try to get a 1 in...
 
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Old Jan 7, 2019 | 10:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Earn88fan
So I'm guessing changing the bowl will not work....is ok to use 2 1/2 gaskets ???? Or try to get a 1 in...
Replace the two-stage power valve with a single stage, 6.5" and swap the old cover over to the new one. Two stage power valves, the idea was, that very heavy loads like when towing, maybe some fuel could be saved. Maybe. I wouldn't bother with it.
 
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Old Jan 7, 2019 | 10:06 PM
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Well first and foremost that carb isn't for a Ford, that is a reproduction carb. It has a two stage valve, you can go with a single stage and your original cover. Remember the carb does not mount directly to the intake, factory has a 7/8" spacer, some were water heated for non emissions with PCV but most were egr. Any 2bbl space that fits a holley pattern will work.
 
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Old Jan 8, 2019 | 05:59 PM
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Single stage

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Replace the two-stage power valve with a single stage, 6.5" and swap the old cover over to the new one. Two stage power valves, the idea was, that very heavy loads like when towing, maybe some fuel could be saved. Maybe. I wouldn't bother with it.
will any brand 6.5 single stage valve work ???....I seen a couple brands on ebay....but I'm not sure what brand carb this new one is..
 
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will any brand 6.5 single stage valve work ???....I seen a couple brands on ebay....but I'm not sure what brand carb this new one is..
Well I'd expect a Holley power valve to fit, no guarantees though. Try the one that's in the other carburetor, since you're swapping the cover over too. 6.5" is probably the most common or generic power valve size and should work OK for now at least. The number may/should be stamped on it.
 
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Old Jan 8, 2019 | 07:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Tedster9


Well I'd expect a Holley power valve to fit, no guarantees though. Try the one that's in the other carburetor, since you're swapping the cover over too. 6.5" is probably the most common or generic power valve size and should work OK for now at least. The number may/should be stamped on it.
ok thanks alot...
 
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The power valve needs to match the jetting. A 6.5 power valve means it starts to open at 8.5 in/Hg at the manifold. That combo would work at 2500ft but not sea level. You can clear what you have now but you need the correct factory thickness spacer. Does your engine have the spacer?
 
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Originally Posted by ford390gashog
The power valve needs to match the netting. A 6.5 power valve means it starts to open at 8.5 in/Hg at the manifold. That combo would work at 2500ft but not sea level. You can clear what you have now but you need the correct factory thickness spacer. Does your engine have the spacer?
yes the original spacer with egr valve is there but the new carb and deep pwer valve cover will not clear
 
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Originally Posted by ford390gashog
The power valve needs to match the netting. A 6.5 power valve means it starts to open at 8.5 in/Hg at the manifold. That combo would work at 2500ft but not sea level.
What is netting? Maybe a typo? Anyhoo a 6.5" PV should be fine for a stock engine that pulls good manifold vacuum, this is why a 6.5 is the # included in all the rebuild kits and many carburetors. You are right, it is important to select a # that isn't too high for the application and altitude, that it isn't opening at low load cruise or it will suck gas like crazy. That's why it's called "economizer" too. A mechanic's vacuum gauge is VERY useful to determine this, then there's no guessing. Here's what Holley sez:

"The number stamped on a power valve, such as 65, indicates the manifold vacuum below which the power valve is operational. In this case, all manifold vacuums below 6.5” Hg, the power valve is operating. Generally a 65 power valve is sufficient for most high performance applications that have a manifold vacuum of 12” Hg or higher. However, some problems can result with radically cammed machines equipped with automatic transmissions. These vehicles often “idle” at 2000 rpm, approx. 6.0” Hg. At this point the main nozzles are starting to feed and richen the mixture (supplied by the power valve) and the engine will probably “load up”. To correct this problem, install a 45 or 35 power valve. If the engine has a manifold vacuum of 12” Hg or less, a good way to determine power valve size is take the manifold vacuum at idle and divide that number by two. The answer is the power valve size. This will provide idling and proper fuel flow under wide open throttle conditions when manifold vacuums seldom rise above 1” Hg."

 
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