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I had a 6.2 in a Raptor and it was a slug. Put a trailer behind it ok if you have the patience of Job going up a grade plus unloaded MPG's suck.
My GM DI 6.2 I had after the Raptor murdered it in mpg's and performance. For me in a HD not on a bet. That being said some people have to have one for various reasons and I understand that but performance wise they are on the "hind tit" as they say.
Okay. Not the one I'm driving. As pictured above, it went through Thompson Pass to/from Valdez with no issues. As for the fuel mileage debate, I find most of that to be a load of horse poop, no matter which 'side' you're on. Again, as pictured above with the UTV trailer and camper, near max loads, we averaged 8.4mpg to Valdez and back. This summer, a 2016 F350 6.7L diesel, with the exact same year and model camper on it, but no UTV trailer, averaged 11.3mpg from the mid-Lower 48, up the Alcan, to where we met up on the Denali Hwy. And he was babying it, too.
As for your gutless Raptor - sounds like it was a lemon? It's a different type of performance in a different platform but the wife's 2018 Edge Sport, with the 2.7L twin turbo ecoboost, will sit you back in your seat, doing 0-60 in under 6 seconds. I've never driven a Raptor but know enough about it to say your experience is a definite anomaly.
Back to the topic at hand - my gasser dually is an awesome truck. And I got a good deal on it. When I get closer to retirement, we'll probably upgrade to an F450. Based on the amazing performance this 6.2L platform continues to give me, I'll be taking a real close look at the new gas engine Ford is releasing. It should be a proven platform by the time I'd be looking to upgrade.
Funny how the MPG argument never mentions fuel prices. I realize they may be different other places. But locally, this morning regular unleaded was $2.49 and diesel was $3.39. That is a decades long payback.
Power/towing, OK if you need it, there's no substitute. But let's not pretend it's somehow more economical to drive a 6.7 for most.
I know exactly where you can find one. I was hot on a gas dually and even have a 1000 dollar pco, but the day I was going to buy a plane ticket to go get it, I found a 30k mile 2016 dually lariat diesel for the exact price of the 2018 gasser xlt. My wife and I decided to get the diesel, and I'm not 100 percent sold on the diesel yet, but it has a crap ton of power. There was just something enjoyable about cranking the key and mashing the gas on my old v10. And I also had to change the oil already and it cost me 80 bucks buying material at walmart....supposedly 1 to 1.5 changes a year but we'll see.
Anyway, I found 4 identical 2018 Gas, 4x4, cc, lb , xlt duallies with a great list if options at a place called Brandon ford in Tampa. They have one left, and they added leather. It's the best deal in the entire country, I've been looking for months. So if you're serious, check it out.
Funny how the MPG argument never mentions fuel prices. I realize they may be different other places. But locally, this morning regular unleaded was $2.49 and diesel was $3.39. That is a decades long payback.
Power/towing, OK if you need it, there's no substitute. But let's not pretend it's somehow more economical to drive a 6.7 for most.
Yep! As of 9:03 PM Nov 5, 2018 it's almost .80 cents more a gallon here. I'll keep my 2012 6.2L with 4.30's Thanks! 3909lbs payload... 15,000lbs 5th wheel and 22,000lbs GCC! StoreLocationUnleadedMidgradeSuperPropaneDieselPum p DEF*Intended Bio BlendPilot Travel Center #51 I-81 Exit 36Greeneville, TN$2.459$2.769$3.019--$3.189$2.859
I understand why people love this debate (aka argument). Opinions are like posterior openings, after all ...
It really boils down to this simple litmus test:
1) If you are going to tow more than what a 6.2L configuration is rated for, then you NEED a 6.7L.
2) if you are driving so many miles annually that the mpg can pay you back for the $9500 extra investment by the time your loan note is completed, then you NEED a 6.7L.
If you cannot honestly say those apply to you, then you don't NEED a diesel.
Next up? Do you WANT a diesel? That's up to you. I've had one, but went back to gas because I didn't qualify in the two questions above. I realized that the new diesel options are way too complex and expensive for what I need my truck to do. There is nothing wrong with WANTING a diesel. You just need to recognize that you won't be able to justify ownership if either of those two questions above cannot be answered in the affirmative. Doing something because you WANT to do it is not wrong at all. But don't try to convince me, or others, that it's always a smart decision. If you want one, then by gosh spend your hard-earned money and get one. My 2018 F250 gasser 6.2L is every bit as capable as my old 2006 diesel in terms of towing and payload capacities, and way simpler that today's diesels. I didn't "need" a diesel, then, nor do I now. I get irritated by folks whom try every angle of lame excuse to justify a luxury item and pass it off as a necessity. Admit your bias, own up to the "wants" and enjoy your diesel; nothing wrong with that! Just don't try to tell me how "smart" you were for getting one, if you cannot honestly display a rational need for one.
There are some special times where the max payload desired is actually greater with the gasser. You may not be able to pull as much as a diesel, but you can carry more on the truck chassis. 6.2L dually trucks are rare, but they do have their place. 6.2L engines also offer renowned reliability and simplicity of service, which is a major boon if you're out in the boondocks often.
Some folks actually know exactly why they chose a gas engine over the diesel.
My previous truck was a '13 F150 SC SB 2WD 6.2. I spec'd it out to tow a 10k (dry) 5'er. My current truck is a '18 F350 CC LB 4WD 6.7. While I haven't towed the 5 yet, I put nearly 12k miles on it going to Alaska with a 9.5' camper in the box. The main thing I noticed but didn't miss are the engine RPM's going up a grade (or down). I really fall into the want not need category, but... me likey.
...and by the way nobody wanted my 2wd, so I traded her in. My salesperson said the couple that bought her were tickled to find a 6.2 with 50k on the clock at the price.
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As for your gutless Raptor - sounds like it was a lemon? It's a different type of performance in a different platform but the wife's 2018 Edge Sport, with the 2.7L twin turbo ecoboost, will sit you back in your seat, doing 0-60 in under 6 seconds. I've never driven a Raptor but know enough about it to say your experience is a definite anomaly.
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Hmmm an edge sport. Yes that is a beast. This is one of my cars after the builder got finished with the motor the first start. Need sound and this one WILL set you back in the seat. I am about performance so that is why I have the oil burner period. Cost is not a concern but extended idling in hot desert at the ranch is more than pulling. If I lived in Alaska---yes maybe a gasser...
Buyers have been trained that if you order a 'HD' truck you 'need' the diesel. Dealers know this fallacy and like it because it means more profits.
Not true by a long shot. The 6.2 has proven to be an excellent and reliable gas powertrain.
I also have a unicorn 6.2 dually and recently hauled a 6700 lb econoline on a 2400 lb trailer up a 6% grade, and kept 65 mph in 5th gear. Truck pulls just fine and has plenty of power, and the 4.30 gears are absolutely worth every penny.
I would only recommend the extra cost and maintenance of the diesel if you regularly tow over 20000 lbs.
That's pretty interesting DSLTRK60, considering the very most any 6.2L equipped Ford can tow is 16,700lbs. And while I'm sure that much load can be moved, you are going to be in absolute snail mode...every time you take off from a stop light, every hill you go up. I'd strongly consider the diesel engine if you plan to regularly tow 10k or more pounds.
I like gas duallys for one thing: payload. I currently have a GMC 3500 gas dump. I'm strongly considering buying a brand new F-550 dump with the V10. These trucks have a bit more payload without the diesel engine, and the V10 moves the rated load pretty well. Add a trailer with a tractor or bobcat on it...things get mighty slow.
I understand why people love this debate (aka argument). Opinions are like posterior openings, after all ...
It really boils down to this simple litmus test:
1) If you are going to tow more than what a 6.2L configuration is rated for, then you NEED a 6.7L.
2) if you are driving so many miles annually that the mpg can pay you back for the $9500 extra investment by the time your loan note is completed, then you NEED a 6.7L.
If you cannot honestly say those apply to you, then you don't NEED a diesel.
Next up? Do you WANT a diesel? That's up to you. I've had one, but went back to gas because I didn't qualify in the two questions above. I realized that the new diesel options are way too complex and expensive for what I need my truck to do. There is nothing wrong with WANTING a diesel. You just need to recognize that you won't be able to justify ownership if either of those two questions above cannot be answered in the affirmative. Doing something because you WANT to do it is not wrong at all. But don't try to convince me, or others, that it's always a smart decision. If you want one, then by gosh spend your hard-earned money and get one. My 2018 F250 gasser 6.2L is every bit as capable as my old 2006 diesel in terms of towing and payload capacities, and way simpler that today's diesels. I didn't "need" a diesel, then, nor do I now. I get irritated by folks whom try every angle of lame excuse to justify a luxury item and pass it off as a necessity. Admit your bias, own up to the "wants" and enjoy your diesel; nothing wrong with that! Just don't try to tell me how "smart" you were for getting one, if you cannot honestly display a rational need for one.
There are some special times where the max payload desired is actually greater with the gasser. You may not be able to pull as much as a diesel, but you can carry more on the truck chassis. 6.2L dually trucks are rare, but they do have their place. 6.2L engines also offer renowned reliability and simplicity of service, which is a major boon if you're out in the boondocks often.
Some folks actually know exactly why they chose a gas engine over the diesel.
Very well said!
My previous truck was a 2013 Ram 2500 with the Cummins. The only reason I bought it was because I wanted it I certainly didn't need it. I traded it in on my 2017 f250 6.2 and I have absolutely zero regrets. The lifetime of the ram I averaged 14.5 mpg with the 6.2 I'm averaging about 13 mpg on the exact same commute and same driving characteristics. With the added cost of diesel fuel where I live it cost me about the same to fill up every week so the fuel savings argument does not apply to me. I'm usually unloaded and 0-60 in the Ford is quicker than the ram so it's a more pleasurable driving experience. And when I do tow my travel trailer the truck does a great job, it has handled everything I've thrown at it very well. My travel trailer is 35' and weighs 11,000 lbs.
Never fails! Happens every time someone praises a gas burner on here!
Maybe have 2 Forums for the 2017 and up HD's one for gas and one for oil burners. Kind of like when you were a kid at Thanksgiving. The grownups ate at one table and the "kids" at another.
The guy wanted and bought a gasser dually but alas, the thread inevitably turned into gas vs diesel lol.
Yeah, I shoulda' seen this coming. I just wanted to post a picture of what I thought was a cool and rare truck. I get it that some people want gas and some want diesel and each have their reasoning for it. You suppose that's why Ford offers both? Sure a 6.2 will do damned near anything that the vast majority of owners need the truck to do, and do it quite well. Logically then, there is little "need" for a diesel.
Compare this to a couple of decades ago when gas engines were 454s, 460s and 440s. made less than 200 HP and 400 lbs/ft of torque. And got single digit mileage even unloaded. A turbo diesel was a significant upgrade in hauling/towing performance as they had way more torque and got far better mileage. Today's diesels, with modern emission controls, the mileage has dropped off but technology has more than doubled the available power. Gas engines are more powerful and more efficient.
Even with the increase in payloads of modern trucks the 6.2 is capable of doing the job for the vast majority of applications. My truck is a good example. An F250 CCSB FX4 rated to tow something in the range of 15K lbs. OK. The 6.2 will do that more than adequately. Heck the 6.2 will perform more than adequately for the rating of the F350 CCSB/LB SRW. Based on that why would there be a 6.7 F250? Because people like me want them. I have no need for the F350's payload and I love the power and smoothness of the 6.7. I will gladly pay the difference in purchase price and operating expense to get what I want.
Same argument holds true for the GT350 Mustang vs a GT, or even a V6. The V6 is plenty fast enough for 99.99% of what any Mustang customer will ever need. Yet they sell GTs with 400+HP Coyotes and GT350s with 500+HP Voodoo motors. Because people want them.
I ain't knocking anybody for their choice. I just wanted to post a pick for the 6.2 fans out there.
So it seems that all of my racer friends are buying new Super Dutys. I ran into this guy Sunday out playing with our toys. Its a 2018 F350 CC Dually FX4 6.2. I had never seen a dualy 6.2 in any trim level above an XL.
He had to special order it and the dealer told him he had better pick it up because he would never be able to sell it otherwise. Nice truck. When I was looking to buy I had a tough time choosing between the Ruby Red, Bluejeans and white. That's my white 250 6.7 beside it.
Nice trucks. My racing buddy bought a new F350 DRW and I poked around and settled on an F450 to pull my tall 28’ car hauler. Need? Maybe not, but if I want it, then I need it! I’ve been running a 2500 Suburban at 4,500 rpm and max gross for long enough to appreciate a proper truck. And if I want to borrow a wedge and drag it to Texas like we just did, then I won’t have to borrow the Chevy work truck. I will say that 3500HD did an amazing job at 31,000 lbs ...
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Okay. Not the one I'm driving. As pictured above, it went through Thompson Pass to/from Valdez with no issues. As for the fuel mileage debate, I find most of that to be a load of horse poop, no matter which 'side' you're on. Again, as pictured above with the UTV trailer and camper, near max loads, we averaged 8.4mpg to Valdez and back. This summer, a 2016 F350 6.7L diesel, with the exact same year and model camper on it, but no UTV trailer, averaged 11.3mpg from the mid-Lower 48, up the Alcan, to where we met up on the Denali Hwy. And he was babying it, too.
