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Old Oct 28, 2018 | 11:04 AM
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getting ready to buy a carb for my 460,,,,,,not sure if i want a manual choke vrs electric choke + or - any help or suggestions,not a daily driver
 
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Old Oct 28, 2018 | 07:30 PM
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Manual chokes are the way to go. They never get out of adjustment like electric chokes do. They don't require seasonal tinkering like with electric chokes. With a manual choke, you have total control. You never have to wonder if your choke is acting up.

Running the cable is easy enough. I use cable glands instead of grommets in the firewall. Glands seal completely. You can get plastic or stainless steel cable glands. They're inexpensive, and Amazon sells them.
 
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Old Oct 28, 2018 | 07:38 PM
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getting ready to buy a carb for my 460,,,,,,not sure if i want a manual choke vrs electric choke + or - any help or suggestions, not a daily driver
What are your plans or intended use for the truck? What kind of exhaust is installed? What kind of camshaft is installed, etc. The most important "adjustment" on any carb is selecting the right size for the engine in the first place. Too big or too small, it won't do the job right.
 
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Old Oct 28, 2018 | 10:00 PM
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ranger how do you use the cable glands on a manual choke,the process
 
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Old Oct 28, 2018 | 10:05 PM
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Tedster my 460 came with performer cam 95cc eldebrock heads,,,going with duel exhaust,,,,,seeing its pretty much eldebrock was leaning on the performer 750 carb,,,,cruiser
 
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Old Oct 29, 2018 | 05:52 AM
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Tedster my 460 came with performer cam 95cc eldebrock heads,,,going with duel exhaust,,,,,seeing its pretty much eldebrock was leaning on the performer 750 carb,,,,cruiser
Yeah, that's above my skill level of expertise. I know generally though it's a fine line to select a combination that has good street manners, performance applications are tuned for best operation when really wound out, at the sacrifice of smooth operation down where most street driving is done. One piece of advice for a street driver I've read says "When it comes to cams and carburetors, pick the one you think you want, and then go one size smaller". It's important to be realistic about how your rig is going to be used, how often (and for how long) do you really plan to be above 4500 RPM etc. I've seen folks build some really nice machines but, they are basically undriveable around town. Doesn't make any sense to me, and they spent a small fortune.
 
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Originally Posted by lafermedavid
ranger how do you use the cable glands on a manual choke,the process
Pick the location you want the cable to pass through the firewall. Drill the hole to the required diameter for cable gland. Insert gland from engine side. Thread on the nut from inside cabin. Pass choke cable through gland. Once you're done fitting choke cable to carb, tighten the taper nut on gland to seal it up. There's nothing hard about it.

I've got two cable glands here. Left is choke cable, right is vacuum gauge line.

I think a 650 or 750 cfm carburetor will work well for you. You've got some wiggle room to tune either to work with your engine. I usually go smaller, but I'd choose the 750 for a 460. Given that it's got 95cc combustion chamber Edelbrock cylinder heads, it's not making a lot of compression, so you're not dealing with a hot rod and certainly don't need a 850 cfm carb.

Have you looked at the AVS2 carburetors? I've switched two of my carbs to it, and will do the other soon. Throttle response and drivability improved a lot.


 
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Old Oct 30, 2018 | 09:57 AM
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Re: Manual or electric choke ?

Just my opinion,
Depends if you already have accessory stuff in or hanging under the dash and don't mind looking an additional ****, personally I would go with an electric choke to maintain the stock appearance. I just installed a Holley and the electric choke is flawless.
 
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Old Oct 30, 2018 | 01:28 PM
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NONONONONO!!!!!!! Don't listen to the crowd that regurgitates claptrap. I DO agree that the manual choke is easier to get right.
BUT, more than 50% of Edelbrock 750 owners have a sag in throttle response that they just can't tune out. Avoid them.

When I was getting my '77 400 on the road a trusted local mechanic told me the 400 really responded to a Holley 80508, which is a 750 carburetor, similar to the old 3310 which came stock on the high Perf 396 back in the day. So a 750 isn't too big for a 400.
The AFB has an air door in the carb that modulates the carb's "size" just like a vacuum secondary Holley or the air door on a Quadrajet or AVS (Thunder Series in Edelbrock speak) or Thermoquad.
So, it's hard to get an AFB that's too large. And that's where the 800 Edelbrock comes in. You can get it AFB style, 1412 or 1413, or AVS style, 1812 or 1813. The 800 for some reason really works well on big motors like 440s, 455s, 460s. It doesn't have the bog like many of the 750s. So if you are planning an engine with not too radical a camshaft, that would be a good pick. If you are intent on a bigger cam, then a Holley 770 or 870 Street Avenger or the like would be better able to cope with the low vacuum you get from a rumpty cam.

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Old Oct 30, 2018 | 08:56 PM
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I have an Edelbrock 750cfm with electric choke. I used a wide band air/fuel gage to get it tuned pretty good, but the electric choke is a pain. It's so inconsistent, and I don't know why. I've had 4 of the same type of carbs of vehicles, and the chokes all behaved the same way. The design is pretty simple, but it's still somehow bipolar. One day, it trips off immediately. The next day, it takes 10 minutes to completely disengage and burns an extra gallon of fuel.
 
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Old Oct 30, 2018 | 09:33 PM
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ok so Ill look into the avs,some Great info here ,really appreciate it
 
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Old Oct 30, 2018 | 11:16 PM
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Electric choke is a good set it and forget it. Only had to be adjusted twice a year. Once in spring/summer because it warms up, then again in fall/winter when it cools down.

Edelbrocks are junk and you will regret buying anything with their name on it. Get the summit 750cfm vacuum secondary electric choke carb. You can thank me later when your truck idles nicely, gets 2mpg better, and actually pulls a house down when you mash the go pedal.

Edelbrock are known for lean bog at WOT, amongst other issues. Ran one in my truck which also has a 460 in it and hated it. Friend runs one in his truck with a built 427 in it and hates it.
 
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Old Oct 31, 2018 | 05:45 PM
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I'd get the holley 750 (which I plan on doing on my 460 someday) and run manual choke.
I have a 4150 with electric choke and have never had an issue with it.. (knock on wood) More issues with the screws stripping out on the top plate but that's another thread..
 
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Originally Posted by lafermedavid
ok so Ill look into the avs,some Great info here ,really appreciate it
You’ll probably be happy with it. But like with any carb, be able Tune it. Don’t be the dunce that whines about how his and his friends’s carbs have WOT bog or other tuning issues. Of course it’s gonna need tuning
 
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Old Oct 31, 2018 | 09:18 PM
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Originally Posted by lafermedavid
getting ready to buy a carb for my 460,,,,,,not sure if i want a manual choke vrs electric choke + or - any help or suggestions,not a daily driver
As long as you know how to properly operate a manual choke, I feel like it is the best. You'll have total control. It will be completely closed when the engine is starting and completely open when the engine has warmed. I put a manual choke & throttle on my Motorcraft 4350. It has never worked so well.
 
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