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Old Oct 4, 2018 | 12:08 PM
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Originally Posted by HardScrabble
Condition determines price on vehicles this old. Paperwork isn't worth that much. Someone is trying to scam you. Or you are trying to get more than the truck is worth.

Either way, there's no cure for stupid. Get on with your life.
My scam-alarm started to ding when I read the OP, something isn't right about this situation.
 
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Old Oct 4, 2018 | 02:59 PM
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If you think it's hard to convince those people (buyers) what your truck is....... Just wait and see how far you get trying to convince Ford they do not know how to assign vin numbers!!!!
 
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Old Oct 4, 2018 | 07:36 PM
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Thought I asked some reasonable questions.

Got crickets.
 
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Old Oct 4, 2018 | 07:54 PM
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He most likely voted in the 48.2 percent!
 
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Old Oct 4, 2018 | 09:48 PM
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Originally Posted by inxces
I'm trying to sell the truck. According to the buyer company's website, there was no XL in 1991-93, but there was in 1994. My truck clearly says XL on both fenders.

But when I give them my VIN, their analyzer says it comes back as a base model.
Their 'analyzer' is BS!
There is no code within the 17 digit VIN that decodes to what trim level a truck is.

Sample 17 digit VIN: 1FTDF15N9RKA12345

1FT = Ford Motor Company USA - Ford Truck - Complete Vehicle.

D = Hydraulic Brakes; 5,001-6,000 lbs. Gross Vehicle Weight Rating.

F15 = F150 2WD Pickup.

N = 302 EFI

9 = Check digit, FoMoCo use only.

R = 1994.

K = Kansas City MO Assembly Plant.

A12345 = 1994 Numerical Sequence of Assembly, the trucks specific serial number.

Where's the trim level? No see um.

You were given this same info in post #2. (sigh) You can lead a mule to water, but you cannot make it drink!
 
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Old Oct 5, 2018 | 02:00 PM
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Oh my gosh guys, I repeat and reiterate it IS you that doesn't understand!

The buyer purchases sight unseen based on the model/trim.
You tell them the model/trim, but the buyer somehow verifies/determines the model/trim via the VIN.
XLT trim was NEVER a part of this discussion, and is irrelevant.
The actual options/feature on the truck are irrelevant.
Explaining the VIN code to me is irrelevant.
Telling me that the XL is a base model in practice is an answer that didn't need to be stated more than once.
Telling me why the XL is a base model is irrelevant.

The problem remains:
To the buyer, the truck is a base OR it is an XL it CANNOT be both -- regardless of practical reality.
How they are determining this from the VIN remains a mystery.
It is probably an error in the VIN system or in their own system.
They are probably overpaying so walking away makes no sense unless there is no other option.

I hope everyone understands now.
 
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Old Oct 5, 2018 | 04:50 PM
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Originally Posted by inxces
To the buyer, the truck is a base OR it is an XL it CANNOT be both -- regardless of practical reality.
The buyer is mistaken.Find another buyer.It sounds like he's just feeding you some gibberish so as to offer you less for the truck.If you don't like his price,don't accept it.It's that simple.The buyer is never going to be correct.
Like we told you though,regardless as the if the buyer says it's the base model or if you say it's an XL.It's still only worth base model price either way anyway.You've got to let it go and sell him your base trim truck or sell your base trim truck to someone else.

Let me try to help you one last time:
He says its a base trim truck.- He's correct.
You say it's an XL trim truck - Your correct too.
Either a XL or a base (no matter what you or he wants to call it) holds the same exact value.
You may not care but the fact is,a base trim (or XL since you like those letters so much) is a stripped down truck.It doesn't have a carpet,it doesn't have power windows,locks,it has a am/fm radio - no cassette.You have no cruise control,you have no A/C (unless ordered).
You and he might not care.Doesn't matter if either of you do.Your base trim truck (called XL) doesn't have these things.It makes your trucks value less than XLT.Call it base or call it XL.


One more way;
Let's say you get what you want ok? Let's say,for some reason when he pulls the VIN again,and your truck now comes back saying XL rather than BASE.Let's just say that magically happens for fun ok?
Nothing will change for either you or him.The trucks value is the same either way.You may not care about it being an XLT and he may not care either but it's not and it's not going to be.It's going to be an XL and it's value is that of the base model.Your so stuck on the "XL" letters for some reason.Let the letters go my friend! Let them go!

So lastly,Why are you so upset about him calling your truck the base model? It is.Even if he called it XL instead like you want him to,it's not going to change the price or anything so let him call it base.Why does this bother you so much? Your selling the truck anyway.He's calling it six while you want him to call it a half dozen!
 
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Old Oct 5, 2018 | 05:59 PM
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One fella telling six they are wrong is quite comical.

An XL is a base is a custom: none are better than the other. Like trying to describe large cobble or small boulders, they're both rocks about 12" in diameter. Y'all are saying the same thing. Just agree that is a base model or move on to another buyer.

My 85 is just a Bronco, titled as base. Doesn't say anything other than bronco anywhere on it. Yet I've seen customs labeled as custom from the same generation. It's just whatever Ford decided to call it that year and it doesn't matter one bit, because it's not an XLT, Lariat, or EB.
 
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Old Oct 5, 2018 | 06:06 PM
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Please just STOP you just don't get it.

There is no other buyer who will pay this price!

The buyer's system (wrongly) thinks that for 1994 there is a base model AND a SEPARATE AND DIFFERENT XL model.
NOT the SAME DIFFERENT. Their system is obviously wrong.
And for some stupid reason, they are willing to pay twice as much for an XL instead of a base.

Features, options, value, and the fact that an XL is a base model are all IRRELEVANT!
It really is all about having the VIN tell them it is an XL to get twice the price!

Problem is, the only way they will accept verification it's an XL is through the VIN system....
And since the VIN shows an XL as a base, it's impossible to verify it as an XL even though it is an XL, so I'm stuck.

Get it now???
 
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Old Oct 5, 2018 | 06:23 PM
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Their system is wrong and there is no way to change it or the wording on your info. You will get base model price, so pick the buyer offering the best base model price. Simple as that.
 
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Old Oct 5, 2018 | 06:28 PM
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If your morals don't allow you to sell the truck for far more than it's worth,yet the buyer has no way to buy it outside what their system shows it's really worth,then I'm afraid your just going to have to go with your conscience and not sell them your truck.

Walking away is sometimes the right thing to do.Good or you.I hope you find a buyer who you can sell it to,at a honest and fair price.

We have a free marketplace here on FTE you know? You can post your truck here.
 
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Old Oct 5, 2018 | 06:37 PM
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Twice as much for an XL instead of Base sight unseen?
So is it $200 for Base and $400 for Xl?

 
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Old Oct 5, 2018 | 07:45 PM
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Pull the XL badges off your truck. Then sell him your truck. Then sell him the XL badges for the same price. problem solved.
 
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Old Oct 5, 2018 | 07:59 PM
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I wouldn't take any checks from this buyer, sounds really fishy. And if he has cash I'd have the bank check it.
 
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Old Oct 5, 2018 | 08:41 PM
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Originally Posted by inxces
Please just STOP

Get it now???

You really keep placing great emphasis on this buyer, which I will assume is also from Nigeria and will send you a mint high quality check that you should cash. No dealership would take a 1993 truck on trade based on age alone. The XL is the base truck, it's how it has always been since it replaced the Custom and how it remains. I will point out that you have successfully found a way to ridicule and attempt to showcase everyone in this thread as obtuse and uninformed. Certainly not a very good practice around here.
 
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