06 Front end issues
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06 Front end issues
As it states,my beloved Big Blu is giving me fits. I replaced the right lower tie rod end a couple of weeks ago with my son and did a driveway alignment. Drove like a new truck. This week it started to wonder and I look under the truck with my son shaking the wheel like a madman and all the Moog replacement parts are showing signs of loosen up. I am not a happy camper. On top of that the Trac bar bushing is moving too. I could see if I off roaded it and ran in the mud, but regular street driving? No, not exceptable. ImI gonna call Moog and see if they will make good on this and pay labor as I'm back to work and don't have time (Kenny's show will hook me up) I try to stay ahead of issues as I want to be able to travel at a moment's notice and not worry about my rig breaking down but this is getting on my nerves. I hope they really put the screws to the Chinese with the tariffs. I'll be willing to pay more and do the job once.
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Hey Bill. Sorry to hear your frustration. I just put two Moog ball joints on Leslie’s MDX, both were made in USA. That part number has a high turnover so it may be that the situation has already changed. Were all the parts labeled ‘Made in China’?
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I e found that Moog quality is not what it was. I rebuilt my driveshaft using their u-joints and one failed (despite greasing every 5k) leaving me stranded exactly 1 year after I installed it. And I’ve replaced the steering arm twice under warranty due to play. Thank god for Advance Auto’s warranty.
umm, you do know that it is American’s that actually pay for those tariffs, right?
umm, you do know that it is American’s that actually pay for those tariffs, right?
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Of course we are, I want products made here with quality metals. This is total BS. Sure they'll warranty it but I have to do it again. IdI rather spend 3 hour fishing than working on my truck. Understand?
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Tfunk88,
But that is part of the production charge to the wholesale market, and the marketeers will demand the parts be made to a lower price. That can force the production location to be moved. Now it may move to India, Poland, or Nigeria before it moves back to the USA, that all depends on labor and other overhead costs because by human nature we don’t want to pay the $100 for a part it might take to make in the USA, we want to pay $30.
My ex-company had a modernized with $10 mil in upgrades rotor and drum plant in the USA. The main wholesale customer said we need it cheaper to compete, move it to China. It got packed up.
Tariffs may get it moved out of China, and it well should. The more I’m reading about the Chinese culture and government Nixon made a deal with the devil. Opening up that wall may be history’s worst move. But manufacturing still may not fully come back to the USA, it really depends on the production costs, the quality and if we are willing to pay the cost of made here. The advantage this country has is the production rate per person is always the highest.
But that is part of the production charge to the wholesale market, and the marketeers will demand the parts be made to a lower price. That can force the production location to be moved. Now it may move to India, Poland, or Nigeria before it moves back to the USA, that all depends on labor and other overhead costs because by human nature we don’t want to pay the $100 for a part it might take to make in the USA, we want to pay $30.
My ex-company had a modernized with $10 mil in upgrades rotor and drum plant in the USA. The main wholesale customer said we need it cheaper to compete, move it to China. It got packed up.
Tariffs may get it moved out of China, and it well should. The more I’m reading about the Chinese culture and government Nixon made a deal with the devil. Opening up that wall may be history’s worst move. But manufacturing still may not fully come back to the USA, it really depends on the production costs, the quality and if we are willing to pay the cost of made here. The advantage this country has is the production rate per person is always the highest.
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XRF is the way to go,hands down. Both trucks have their ball joints in them. At the time,they where not available or it would have been done. I just don't want to pay twice.....ya I'm being cheap.
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Generally speaking Moog quality has been heading SOUTH since Federal Mogul bought them from Cooper ..............the problem is appears to be "cost cutting", poor workmanship, quality at Federal's AL and MO chassis facilities................I've seen it more than I can count.........................
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The Cooper group was identified as Moog Automotive consisting of Abex, Anco, Belden, Champion, Felpro, Wagner Electric and Wagner Brake for the major divisions. Federal-Mogul bought the group under the BHAG initiative, along with buying Ferodo (T&N). T&N had asbestos liabilities that were not identified during Due-Process, and that caused F-M to declare Bankruptcy. Carl Ichan bought F-M with the plan to make it profitable and sell off individual companies for more then the combined cost, a typical holding company move. Things didn't work that way due to the recession. F-M is in process of being bought by Tennaco from Ichan for $5.4 Bil as a complete company.
The problem was Ichan trying to make it look profitable, dumping future research as well as cutting production costs. The u-joints a good example, as they were combining a good group with their Precision group, a lower cost product. Dropped the better group and kept Precision.
The problem was Ichan trying to make it look profitable, dumping future research as well as cutting production costs. The u-joints a good example, as they were combining a good group with their Precision group, a lower cost product. Dropped the better group and kept Precision.
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This is the reason behind why I will go out of my way to NOT buy a part that has a "Life Time Warrantee."
I only want to do the job once and if that costs $50 more then so be it. My time has value.
I only want to do the job once and if that costs $50 more then so be it. My time has value.
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Well,I bit the bullet and ordered XRF to replace the defective parts. I'll never ever buy another Moog part again even if I have to walk for a week. Screw Moog.Now,time to decide what route to go with my Trac bar.
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When I did mine I used the XRF ball joint along with the Energy Suspension bushing.
For being a urethane bushing it did not seem to transmit very much noise. I did have to
call and talk to the tech support people because the part was not listed on there web site.
For being a urethane bushing it did not seem to transmit very much noise. I did have to
call and talk to the tech support people because the part was not listed on there web site.
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Bill here is a link to the thread when I did my track bar.
https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/1...-question.html
I went back in and added the two invoices to the end of the thread. They have the part numbers.
I got the ball joint from Ed and the bushing from RockAuto. This link will take you right to
the invoice from RockAuto and letter I got from XRF. For some reason they did not have the bushing.
The important thing is I got the part numbers that were needed.
https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/1...l#post18186213
https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/1...-question.html
I went back in and added the two invoices to the end of the thread. They have the part numbers.
I got the ball joint from Ed and the bushing from RockAuto. This link will take you right to
the invoice from RockAuto and letter I got from XRF. For some reason they did not have the bushing.
The important thing is I got the part numbers that were needed.
https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/1...l#post18186213