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Old Jun 12, 2018 | 07:41 PM
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Not picking on you, but people who by new XL trucks thinking they are saving money either never plan to sell/trade the truck or they have not actually looked at the resale value between a low level trim and high level trim trucks.

Same is true for the people that insist there is a huge savings to be had purchasing the gas engine. There is a small savings on the gas engine assuming normal mileage (~15k/yr) and normal trade intervals (4-6 years) but it is actually pretty small - like less than many people spend on starbucks or other frivolous things each month to drive a diesel.

Most people buying any Super Duty truck gas or diesel could make a better choice if financial considerations were the sole priority.
SO.......... if I tow infrequently with weights easily within the capability of either engine , and I plan on trading in 5 years at an estimated 100k miles, give me your opinion as to which configuration you deem to make the most sense using financial considerations as sole priority assuming I have the means to purchase any trim with any options. I want opinions based on return of investment as well. Thanks.
 
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Old Jun 12, 2018 | 08:20 PM
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You are going to get more money back on trade/resale on the 6.7. But you are also paying $9k upfront for the diesel.
 
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Old Jun 12, 2018 | 08:36 PM
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I would NOT get my financial advice from an online message board for trucks.
 
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Old Jun 12, 2018 | 09:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Headhunter68
SO.......... if I tow infrequently with weights easily within the capability of either engine , and I plan on trading in 5 years at an estimated 100k miles, give me your opinion as to which configuration you deem to make the most sense using financial considerations as sole priority assuming I have the means to purchase any trim with any options. I want opinions based on return of investment as well. Thanks.
Assuming you actually need a 3/4 ton truck, the best resale has historically been an upper end truck with the least options. Meaning that if you're going to get an XLT with the premium package you might as well get a base Lariat, if you're going to get a Lariat Ultimate with quad beam LEDs you might as well get a Platinum.
The options that are standard on the higher end models just do not return as much value when optioned on lower end trucks.

If you don't need a diesel the gas engine will have a slightly lower cost of ownership, and you'll pay less interest on a note that is 8K less.

I'd still choose diesel because I like the exhaust brake, not having to fill up as often, and being able to find (or more easily store) fuel after a hurricane hits, but not everyone lives in areas impacted by hurricanes.

After Harvey last September 200+ miles away from Houston:

 
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Old Jun 13, 2018 | 06:15 AM
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I lost my original 2011 6.7 at 57,000 miles. Crank broke. No warning, no noise, no weird running. Had it brought in to my dealer for disassembly. Ford installed a new long block and extended my powertrain warranty out to 200K and added 2 more years. 121K on replacement motor and no real issues, just general wear item replacement.

I have no issue with the 6.7 dependability, I've got a 2019 6.7 F350 Lariat Ultimate on order now, looking forward to the new truck.
 
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Old Jun 13, 2018 | 08:23 AM
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Don't forget, you are paying interest for 5-6-7 years on that $10k diesel engine option. That equates to about a $1k loss.

Me? I don't care. I buy what I can afford, and what I can afford to repair and maintain. There's no way I want to mess with a V8 diesel laden with emissions equipment and expensive electronics/sensors. The Cummins I have is my limit. I chose the 6.2L because I don't travel outside a 20 mile radius from home, and I don't tow more than 10k. Simple as that.

Weigh you needs and wants, with what you can afford...and make a choice based on that. A bunch of posts from strangers on the internet should really be taken with a grain of salt...
 
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Old Jun 14, 2018 | 09:00 PM
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Just saw this on the Made in Mexico 6.7L: (I won't buy this engine because it's produced right in the middle of a major drug cartel's operating area --- in fact, numerous reports say many of the drug smugglers "moonlight" at the 6.7L plant --- I'm not buying any product that supports drug smuggling economies)

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Old Jun 14, 2018 | 09:54 PM
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Originally Posted by F350 1990
Just saw this on the Made in Mexico 6.7L: (I won't buy this engine because it's produced right in the middle of a major drug cartel's operating area --- in fact, numerous reports say many of the drug smugglers "moonlight" at the 6.7L plant --- I'm not buying any product that supports drug smuggling economies)

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First—good luck purchasing a vehicle without Mexican made components.

Second—that article was clearly written by a mechanical idiot. I don’t need to get into everything wrong with it. If it wasn’t apparent to you when you read it, I can’t explain it to you.

Third—where are these “numerous reports” about drug smugglers employed by Ford? Sounds like crap to me.

Fourth—if you don’t want to support a “drug smuggling economy”, then the US isn’t the place for you. This is drug money central. Those drug smugglers you hate so much carry dollars, not pesos.
 
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Old Jun 14, 2018 | 10:21 PM
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Originally Posted by F350 1990
Just saw this on the Made in Mexico 6.7L: (I won't buy this engine because it's produced right in the middle of a major drug cartel's operating area --- in fact, numerous reports say many of the drug smugglers "moonlight" at the 6.7L plant --- I'm not buying any product that supports drug smuggling economies)

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Humm, this article you posted doesn't even give the authors name, just as a guest. don't think I'll be putting much stock in an unsigned publication.

How about posting your source that says Ford employs drug smugglers, wouldn't think they would have a need or time for a second job.
 
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Old Jun 15, 2018 | 02:36 AM
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It's a new truck why worry about it! This is my first diesel I hear all sorts of different noises . Anything can happen to anything gas or diesel ..
I love boost so I will prob stay with the diesel . Love the power . Really love plowing in a diesel now"once warm" . I drive less than 5miles to work and that's both ways . I don't haul or tow anything only when I buy a used car once in a blue moon. It's prob the most unuse diesel in the states lol but so far 5200 miles on the ole girl and I love every minute of it.
 
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Old Jun 15, 2018 | 06:33 AM
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I'm coming from a 04 6.0, which is a good engine, when properly maintained. the 6.7 is an 8 year in house designed beast. That should provide years of trouble free Enjoyment! The diesel engine is definitely a lot more complicated. I love the power/torque of these diesel engines. I think ford is producing some of the best trucks/engines in the world! Go diesel if its in your budget.
 
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Old Jun 16, 2018 | 12:34 PM
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Originally Posted by F350 1990
Just saw this on the Made in Mexico 6.7L: (I won't buy this engine because it's produced right in the middle of a major drug cartel's operating area --- in fact, numerous reports say many of the drug smugglers "moonlight" at the 6.7L plant --- I'm not buying any product that supports drug smuggling economies)

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That article reads like a bad google translation. It likely won’t scare anyone with an IQ above 70 away from the PSD.
 
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Old Jun 18, 2018 | 09:05 AM
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I agree! Why do people get so sensitive about this and why is the "gas engine fleet" somehow proof of what everyone else should drive. One thing about fleet cars is that they are purchased by people that don't have to drive them. I bought what I wanted, not the cheapest thing I could find. If I wanted the cheapest thing I could find, I'd have bought a used fleet vehicle.
Fleet vehicles may or may not be a good indicator. Some fleets will be based solely upon the lowest selling price. Others will be based upon a brand preference by a fleet managers. Still others will be bought with more than necessary options because of a bloated budget to work with. Finally, there will be fleets purchased based upon a fleet manager doing his homework...basing the choice on total cost of ownership, reliability, suitability, etc.

Our city is currently running Ford Super Duty DPW vehicles. 90% of the fleet is diesel...mostly 6.7's. There are a few 6.0L's still in service. There are zero 6.4L trucks. However, they are starting to order a few more 6.2L trucks.

All the citations regarding book value are silly. A dealer will offer you whatever they feel like on a trade-in, regardless of what some book says. Nothing forces them to give you whatever that book says. And also be advised that values vary greatly from region to region. In a region where gas trucks are more popular, the book value difference might be a lot closer. There are a lot of Ford dealers in my area stocking *mostly* gas Super Duty trucks. That's just what people around here seem to buy more of. And frankly, as the cost of the diesel option continues to climb, more and more people "switch" to gas for no other reason than affordability.
 
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Old Jun 18, 2018 | 01:13 PM
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I say buy what your needs demand and forget about it. I have a 2017 XLT Lariat with the diesel 6.7L and the power is outstanding, and so is the fuel mileage. I carry a Lance camper and pull a Ranger Bass Boat with no problems
 
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