6.7 reliability data.
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Those diesel esp’s have a lot of gray areas so be careful. Ford will do anything they can to get out of a warranty situation. Ever look under the hood and see that white little sticker saying no modifications to engine will be honored if something happens? Here is my theory, if you don’t have the money in the bank to fix a modern diesel out of warranty then don’t buy one
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Yeah, but that could be said for anything other than a bicycle. Ever heard the saying; There's nothing more expensive than a Mercedes out of warranty?
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I have owned 2-6.7 2011 & 2012... I have switched to 6.2 Gasser 2017... As it seemed none of my issues were ever covered by warranty...and at like 55000 miles I was paying $800 to $1200 almost weekly for sensors..and coolant fittings and nonsense... And Everytime they took stuff apart... The next week something they removed to get to previous repair would be bad the next week... I won't touch another diesel unless I have a full ESP as close to bumper to bumper as I can get for as long as I can get. And have it in writing from insurance company that the water in gas is covered under car insurance.
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From: Pittsburgh, PA
Minus the coffee,This is exactly what I did.I went to all my local Ford dealers and simply walked in to the diesel mechanics bay and just asked if I could have a minute if there time and ask them a few questions.
If you wanna know how it went, I planned on buying a 6.2 as I was really worried about the new diesels....I currently have a new 6.7 sitting in my garage....
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And the only folks who test drove your diesel we're little old ladies from Pasadena...
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From: Illinois
As stated MANY TIMES on here,Buy what you like....
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sure, if you buy your diesel, run it for a year and trade it off. Run your diesel for five years, put 150k on it and then run the numbers. Different story. Diesels work well for people that need the towing capacity, other than that you can’t justify them financially. If you WANT a diesel, by all means go ahead, it’s your money, but don’t try to make everyone believe it’s cost effective because it isn’t unless you’re towing heavy all the time. Reading lots of posts here there’s lots of people whose financial decision is based on what the monthly payments are, not what it costs to buy and operate the truck, and they trade every few years and just roll over into new payments. They’re oblivious to financial common sense. There’s a reason fleets run the gas engines for work vehicles. Over the long term they’re more cost effective.
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sure, if you buy your diesel, run it for a year and trade it off. Run your diesel for five years, put 150k on it and then run the numbers. Different story. Diesels work well for people that need the towing capacity, other than that you can’t justify them financially. If you WANT a diesel, by all means go ahead, it’s your money, but don’t try to make everyone believe it’s cost effective because it isn’t unless you’re towing heavy all the time. Reading lots of posts here there’s lots of people whose financial decision is based on what the monthly payments are, not what it costs to buy and operate the truck, and they trade every few years and just roll over into new payments. They’re oblivious to financial common sense. There’s a reason fleets run the gas engines for work vehicles. Over the long term they’re more cost effective.
Gas: Average: $34,723
Diesel: Average: $41,731
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I agree! Why do people get so sensitive about this and why is the "gas engine fleet" somehow proof of what everyone else should drive. One thing about fleet cars is that they are purchased by people that don't have to drive them. I bought what I wanted, not the cheapest thing I could find. If I wanted the cheapest thing I could find, I'd have bought a used fleet vehicle.
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I agree! Why do people get so sensitive about this and why is the "gas engine fleet" somehow proof of what everyone else should drive. One thing about fleet cars is that they are purchased by people that don't have to drive them. I bought what I wanted, not the cheapest thing I could find. If I wanted the cheapest thing I could find, I'd have bought a used fleet vehicle.
I'll remember that sage advice the next time I'm buying a fleet of trucks for myself.....Do they make Fleet Lamborghinis now?
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From: Texas
Not picking on you, but people who by new XL trucks thinking they are saving money either never plan to sell/trade the truck or they have not actually looked at the resale value between a low level trim and high level trim trucks.
Same is true for the people that insist there is a huge savings to be had purchasing the gas engine. There is a small savings on the gas engine assuming normal mileage (~15k/yr) and normal trade intervals (4-6 years) but it is actually pretty small - like less than many people spend on starbucks or other frivolous things each month to drive a diesel.
Most people buying any Super Duty truck gas or diesel could make a better choice if financial considerations were the sole priority.
Same is true for the people that insist there is a huge savings to be had purchasing the gas engine. There is a small savings on the gas engine assuming normal mileage (~15k/yr) and normal trade intervals (4-6 years) but it is actually pretty small - like less than many people spend on starbucks or other frivolous things each month to drive a diesel.
Most people buying any Super Duty truck gas or diesel could make a better choice if financial considerations were the sole priority.
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From: Jasper, Texas
The better question is; Do they make Diesel Lamborghinis?
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sure, if you buy your diesel, run it for a year and trade it off. Run your diesel for five years, put 150k on it and then run the numbers. Different story. Diesels work well for people that need the towing capacity, other than that you can’t justify them financially. If you WANT a diesel, by all means go ahead, it’s your money, but don’t try to make everyone believe it’s cost effective because it isn’t unless you’re towing heavy all the time. Reading lots of posts here there’s lots of people whose financial decision is based on what the monthly payments are, not what it costs to buy and operate the truck, and they trade every few years and just roll over into new payments. They’re oblivious to financial common sense. There’s a reason fleets run the gas engines for work vehicles. Over the long term they’re more cost effective.
NADA 2011 F350 SRW KR with 150,000 gives you 7,225 in additional value. Again, you are getting 100% back.
The diesel option back then was low $7,000s.
KBB gives a range of $30,200 - $35,715 with the diesel at 100k.
KBB gives a range of $24,800 - $30,260 with the gas at 100k.
Difference of about $5,500.
With 150k, it is $22,300 - $27,812 for the Diesel
With 150k it is $16,900 - $22,300 for the diesel.
So essentially for a 2011, NADA gives you $7,200 more, KBB gives you $5,400 more. The mileage has zero affect on the value of the diesel value.
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Not picking on you, but people who by new XL trucks thinking they are saving money either never plan to sell/trade the truck or they have not actually looked at the resale value between a low level trim and high level trim trucks.
Same is true for the people that insist there is a huge savings to be had purchasing the gas engine. There is a small savings on the gas engine assuming normal mileage (~15k/yr) and normal trade intervals (4-6 years) but it is actually pretty small - like less than many people spend on starbucks or other frivolous things each month to drive a diesel.
Most people buying any Super Duty truck gas or diesel could make a better choice if financial considerations were the sole priority.
Same is true for the people that insist there is a huge savings to be had purchasing the gas engine. There is a small savings on the gas engine assuming normal mileage (~15k/yr) and normal trade intervals (4-6 years) but it is actually pretty small - like less than many people spend on starbucks or other frivolous things each month to drive a diesel.
Most people buying any Super Duty truck gas or diesel could make a better choice if financial considerations were the sole priority.