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Old May 24, 2018 | 04:10 PM
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Is there any way possible to correct the "average MPG" displayed on the dash? Mine is over 5% optimistic. I always check it manually, but think it should read correctly, or at least very close. Why have the reading at all if it isn't accurate? I don't think i know anyone who checks it, they just assume it is correct and don't want or care about the truth. I do though.
My SuperDuty was very close to being spot on.
Can it be done on Forscan. I don't have access to it but hope to someday fairly soon. Can the dealer adjust the software?
 
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Old May 24, 2018 | 04:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Nearly Normal Mike
Is there any way possible to correct the "average MPG" displayed on the dash? Mine is over 5% optimistic. I always check it manually, but think it should read correctly, or at least very close. Why have the reading at all if it isn't accurate? I don't think i know anyone who checks it, they just assume it is correct and don't want or care about the truth. I do though.
My SuperDuty was very close to being spot on.
Can it be done on Forscan. I don't have access to it but hope to someday fairly soon. Can the dealer adjust the software?
You could "fool" it by adjusting the tire size, but that would cause your odometer and speedo to be off as well (which is in effect how you "correct" the MPG.) Not a good solution, but hey, you asked lol.

Just know that it's off by a little. Its usually consistently off the same amount. What's important is the trend, not a static reading. So just watch it for changes over time. If you usually get 22mpg indicated but suddenly you're getting 18mpg, suspect there has been a change or there's a problem.
 
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Old May 24, 2018 | 05:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Nearly Normal Mike
Mine is over 5% optimistic. truth...……..
My SuperDuty was very close to being spot on.
How do you know your is 5% off?
 
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Old May 24, 2018 | 05:42 PM
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How do you know your is 5% off?
I measured the difference between what the gauge said, and what I actually got.
My last fill up I actually got 17.3 mpg, while the gauge said 18.3 mpg. Similar discrepancies previously.
 
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Old May 24, 2018 | 05:53 PM
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How does your speedometer check? I've had 2 fords that read 3 MPH high vs. actual. That will throw off the numbers.
 
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Old May 24, 2018 | 06:16 PM
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Time for this come up again, I guess:

https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/1538957-mpg.html

Post 29, 4 to 9% + "optimistic" readings for mine.

https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/1...w-truck-2.html
 
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Old May 24, 2018 | 09:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Nearly Normal Mike
I measured the difference between what the gauge said, and what I actually got.
My last fill up I actually got 17.3 mpg, while the gauge said 18.3 mpg. Similar discrepancies previously.
Mine is typically 1.2 - 1.3 mpg optimistic. My lifetime average mpg is 18.16 (hand calculated) and the truck says 19.4. Every time I check it, that’s about how far off it is. One time, when I was 100% freeway driving, it was perfectly accurate. It could have been a fluke...or because I was just steady cruising for a tank. My speedometer is pretty accurate according to the roadside speed registers they put in residential areas on occasion (the ones with the speed limit sign and digital readout of your speed).

My last vehicle was very accurate.
 
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Old May 24, 2018 | 09:46 PM
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Long story short as possible.
There are to many variables to account for.

If we agree that hand calculated and truck calculated use the same miles driven that eliminates one.

Then the difference is the truck is calculating how much fuel it injected each stroke.
You are calculating by using how much fuel you put in the tank.

Where do the most variables exist now?
Do you really think hand calculating is more accurate?

FYI, trucks are incapable of "lying".
They are using simple math.
 
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Old May 24, 2018 | 10:54 PM
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Originally Posted by KJ Smith

Then the difference is the truck is calculating how much fuel it injected each stroke.
You are calculating by using how much fuel you put in the tank.

Where do the most variables exist now?
Do you really think hand calculating is more accurate?

FYI, trucks are incapable of "lying".
They are using simple math.
Yes, my hand calculation is more accurate. I have over 20,000 miles of documented fillups...with gallons to the third place. In every single incident, except the one that they agreed, the truck has always been high by 1.2 - 1.3 mpg. If the truck occasionally or half the time gave a pessimistic reading...that would be different.

Trucks can’t lie or tell the truth. All they can do is provide data based upon the sensor package they carry. Being an instrumentation specialist for 27 years, what I’ll add is that Ford doesn’t have test instrumentation installed in these trucks. They all have a stated accuracy, probably based on a BFSL graph standard. We can’t afford a truck that can accurately measure how much fuel is injected on each stroke in each cylinder. The instrumentation capable of those exacting measurements in each millisecond costs more than your truck (yeah, even if it’s a Raptor). What we have is low accuracy OEM transmitters and transducers that approximate the amount of fuel used, probably based on pressure, injection pulse width, and known average flow rates of the injectors. These things probably aren’t even temperature compensated. Why? Because it’s really not that important for our readout to be +/- 0.1% accurate. Accurate vs inaccurate read outs, when all these different accuracies are compounded, is surely biased towards being optimistic because they use their lab data to program the rate of fuel usage....and things always work better in a lab.

Think of the truck being as accurate as it needs it needs to be. However, when tolerances stack, you’ll have some that are very accurate, some that are not very accurate, and a bunch inbetween.

I’ll even play devils advocate and accept there must be some evaporation from the tank. Also, much like the truck, the gas pumps have flow meters. I’ve read that they are mandated to be better than .03%. That will literally be more than 100X more accurate than the sensor package on the truck. There is no mandate for your mpg readout to be accurate. Heck, your speedometer is only legally required to be +/- 10%.
 
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Old May 24, 2018 | 11:26 PM
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Even as far back as '02, trucks have known exactly how much fuel they inject per stroke.
I used to hand calculate. I always knew my 7.3 got better mileage from Flying J as opposed to Texaco.
Texaco was cheaper.
When I got my 6.7 with the meter I found out why.
Gallons used and how much went in the tank were always within .1 of a gallon at Flying J.
The difference at Texaco was always 1.5 gallons or more. Mileage never changed on the truck meter.
Drove the 7.3 9 yrs and the 6.7 2 years. Results never varied

All your using is how much fuel you put in the tank. You really don't know how much you use.
Using the same flawed technique year over year means nothing.

Your truck knows when its lean, knows when its rich and knows when it right.
That is how they get the efficiency they achieve.
That is how they control emissions.
 
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Old May 25, 2018 | 04:34 AM
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The MPG between point A and point B will most likely be different than that MPG between point C and point D. if the actual MPG between A&B is 17 MPG and the actual MPG between C&D is 19.5 MPG then the average is going to be 18.25. By the time you burn a tank of fuel that average could be very close to the actual MPG or very different.

Someone can drive a few days with the roads having longer down hill and other days longer and steeper inclines. If one month your driving is on longer down-hill your average MPG may indicate better fuel mileage. It can be just the opposite if you have more up-hill miles. What we don't notice sometimes is how slight the down-hill can be and how slight the up-hill can be that will influence significant changes in average and actual fuel economy.

Some vehicles have drive-trains that are more efficient.

One day in the future they may have vehicles that measure the exact amount of fuel that go through injectors into the cylinders. By that time we'll be counting volts and amps instead of liquid fuel.
 
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Old May 25, 2018 | 09:39 AM
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I have a GPS that I use in my '50 F1 (302ci) mainly because the speedometer doesn't work. Anyway, this GPS has an ECO part to it. After hand calculating a few tanks of fuel, you program that info in. You can program city and highway mileage. Also enter price per gallon, etc. Using info programmed into the GPS, it keeps track of how much fuel is used and the cost. On the next fill-up will also tell Mpg. Also shows how you are driving from GPS info. Quick acceleration, slowing quickly, speed, etc. is used to determine/rate your driving and mileage. Much like driving with a vacuum gauge. But nothing is actually hooked directly to the vehicle. Surprisingly, it is fairly accurate depending on info put in and how you drive. It was very handy before I had a working fuel gauge.

​​​​​​This is a true account of one instance. I needed to replace fuel tank so I filled it up (20gal) put info in GPS and drove truck. When it showed a few gallons left, I started carrying a couple of gallons with me. When I ran out, the GPS showed 19.8 gallons used.

I tried to find another one when my connector quit working but couldn't find one. Then I remembered my buddy had bought one at the same time I got mine, and knowing that he barely knows how to use a regular GPS and would never use these features, I bought him a new one and swapped it out.

Sorry for long post and maybe OT, but I wanted to share.

Also, back to original topic, I found if you don't top off after pump stops, your truck will be closer to being correct.
 
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Old May 25, 2018 | 02:09 PM
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Originally Posted by KJ Smith

Even as far back as '02, trucks have known exactly how much fuel they inject per stroke.

Gallons used and how much went in the tank were always within .1 of a gallon at Flying J.
The difference at Texaco was always 1.5 gallons or more.

All your using is how much fuel you put in the tank. You really don't know how much you use.
Using the same flawed technique year over year means nothing.
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You seem to think the truck sensors are much more accurate than they really are. This is my world, I know they are not high accuracy instruments. These instruments send electrical signals that are then interpreted by another device that has a stated accuracy. None of these are lab quality. I’m not guessing or taking someone else’s word for this....I know this as fact. Frankly, all these components are supplied by the lowest bidder. When thinking how ‘exact’ these things are...try googling flow matched fuel injectors....then you can start wondering why these would be needed on race engines if basic fuel injectors already know ‘exactly’ how much fuel they flow. If you want to believe it’s super accurate, feel free....it doesn’t effect me. I will say it’s as accurate as it needs to be and remain affordable, producible, and marketable.

If the Texaco fuel pumps were out of tolerance, that’s on them. I use my truck for work and travel extensively, so I’m frequently using different fuel brands and stations.

This is too off topic at this point for me. You don’t appear to want to learn about the systems, and by your response i can see you didn’t even try to research before replying. You are giving anecdotal evidence when referring to systems that are rated in scientific terms. The 2 don’t go together.
 
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Old May 25, 2018 | 03:23 PM
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You are introducing way to many variables using different ( unknown ) pumps.
I understand over time things even out.

My point is very simple.
"Hand Calculated" VS Truck calculated.
You want to say Hand calculated is more accurate.
I like to say the Truck calculated is more accurate.
No big deal.
On my "11, when the fuel put in was the same as the truck said it used... everything worked out.
The only thing that ever changed the mileage was when the fuel pump claimed more in than the truck showed using.

I call BS on " Hand Calculated" being more accurate than 'Truck Calculated".
The actual is probably somewhere in between.

Thanks for telling me what I think and what I know.
At this point in my life I tend to forget... nice of you to remind me.

We'll just have to disagree on this one.
No harm, No Foul.

Have a Great Memorial Day weekend!!!!
Thanks those that serve.
 
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I don't understand why some are so obsessed with the MPG calculation. What difference is it going to make if it's off 0.5 MPG? Are you going to stop driving your truck, or even drive it less? I use it, but generally as a relative measurement, i.e. if my mileage drops 2 MPG all of a sudden (regardless of what is was before) I know something has changed for the worse. I use the instantaneous meter as real-time feedback to my driving style. Again, the absolute numbers don't matter much, it's the relative data I'm interested in.

Years ago I went on a long camping trip with my future in-laws. Great people, but they were obsessed with calculating the fuel milage down to the 1/10 of an MPG. I made the rookie mistake at that time of asking "What difference does it make?", i.e. what are you going to do differently based on this information? DIdn't go well for me, lol. Maybe I just made that mistake again?
 
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