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Old May 5, 2018 | 08:43 PM
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looking for some help here. I inherited my fathers 1986 f-250 with 6.9 i.d.i., I have been having what I think is an air intrusion problem. I put a new injector seal kit with the new o rings and plastic cups on top of injectors that carry return fuel to tank because I knot iced d a couple wear a little damp looking. I bled the lines got it running, seems to run great drove for about 30 miles ran good nothing unusual put in garage, tried to restart a couple hours later and same problem, starts runs for about 10 seconds and shuts down, if I rebleed lines and fill filter it will run fine again until shut off then won’t start again or run for afew seconds and die. I put a piece of plastic tubing from last injector on drivers that goes back to tank and another piece fromfirst injector front pass. Side to filter housing,I watch the tubing at idle I don’t see any air bubbles, if I run up on fast idle I can see some very small air bubles in the line to the filter thats all.
I also notice if I push the staiter valve in after cranking to bleed it don’t seem to have much pressure there, how much should I have?
little back round on truck 86 dad was original owner has only 65,000 miles has had excellent care all it’s life, just a lot of seal type issues from sitting a lot of it’s life
been thinking about bypassing old manual lift pump with an electrical pump tank and old lft pump, can I stub off lines from old pump and just leave it on block, or do I need to make a blockoff plate and completely remove it?
Any help is appreciated
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Old May 6, 2018 | 12:56 AM
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When you push the shrader in it should squirt fuel all over the place. I'm betting the lift pump probably has a crack in the diaphragm and is letting the line from it to the tank bleed back.

They're $30 or you could go the electric route, someone here should recommend a brand. Personally I favor the mechanical pump but each to their own. I see no problem with leaving it there just hanging, but I'd go the block off route personally.

Whatever you do don't buy the Mr gasket 12D pumps. They're junk. Two in series wouldn't keep my stock injector pump maxed fed..
 
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Old May 6, 2018 | 07:53 AM
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Air intrusion

If the diafram has a crack in it, will it be able to keep up the injection pump when its running?
I did buy the Mr gasket pump so I’m glad you said that.
I will go that route, I just wasn’t looking forward to changing the stock pump looks likeit could be a real pain to get that rear bolt guess I’ll hope for the best.
dad would’ve wanted it stock anyway
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Old May 6, 2018 | 11:19 AM
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I would suggest trying to track down the problem rather than just putting an electric pump on it as a Band-Aid, I agree with removing and blocking off the mechanical pump if you choose the electric,

Also, running it off a fuel can directly to the injection pump and then working your way back or forth depending on how it's running is a good way to help pin point the problem area,
 
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Old May 6, 2018 | 12:13 PM
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I've seen several mechanical pumps get weak do to a crack in the diaphragm.

9/16 wrench and go from underneath. Just takes a while. I remove the ground from the block on that side to make more room. Disconnect the battery if you take the ground off
 
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