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They told me there are different levels of 6.0 reman engines. I got the second from the top, the top is not available. Its the total long block, everything installed from the factory. Not sure what mine has. Can someone please tell me what levels they carry, and what the dealer pays for one like mine? thanks
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Jack I’ll agree, but with a Long Block costing (on the high side) $5,000.00 that means $12,000.00 - $14,000.00 labor and misc. parts. I would want all my old parts back peroid. Suds if everything you say is true (there are always two sides and sometimes three) to a story, you got hosed.
BUT, we are beating a dead horse here. Whats done is done. Good luck with your new engine. Nothing much better than hearing a 6.0 fire off in the morning.
BUT, we are beating a dead horse here. Whats done is done. Good luck with your new engine. Nothing much better than hearing a 6.0 fire off in the morning.
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I just went out to my truck to look at the maintenance log. Back in 2008 for me a complete motor cost $12,100, labor around $3,500 and with tax and disposal brought it up to ~$16,500. Add FICM, pipes for this situation, and a price increase ........
A short block from a dealer lists for ~$5,400, discounted ~5,100. I've looked recently, but would never go there.
The only argument here is going to be legal.
A short block from a dealer lists for ~$5,400, discounted ~5,100. I've looked recently, but would never go there.
The only argument here is going to be legal.
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My biggest fault is that I’m way under estimating Ford labor cost and Ford Long block cost. With my Ashville engine long block, my parts, and my labor I came in just a tad over $7,000.00 on my rebuild. The cost that he is paying just gags me.
I’m still beating a dead horse aint I
I’m still beating a dead horse aint I
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That too was part of my wavering on getting done at the dealer, it wasn't cost effective. I was even looking at a salvaged motor for $4k. But I was hip deep into taking care of my mother at the time and there was just no way I could do the work then. What took me over the edge was getting a highly professional built engine ......... turned out NOT.
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$15,000 X 15% = $2250
15,000 + $2250 = $17,250
Find out what the law is in California. They are limited as to how much the bill can exceed the estimate. Service estimates that I remember quote Florida law at 15%. Did you get a written estimate from them? Did you sign a work authorization?
From what you posted they quoted you $15,000, If they found parts and/or labor exceeding the percentage that your state allows they have the responsibilty to provide you an additional or revised document for your authorization.
15,000 + $2250 = $17,250
Find out what the law is in California. They are limited as to how much the bill can exceed the estimate. Service estimates that I remember quote Florida law at 15%. Did you get a written estimate from them? Did you sign a work authorization?
From what you posted they quoted you $15,000, If they found parts and/or labor exceeding the percentage that your state allows they have the responsibilty to provide you an additional or revised document for your authorization.
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Thanks Bismic, looks like the OP is standing his ground, just trying to bolster him up.
I remember seeing a complete 6.0 on display in a Ford dealership parts dept several years ago. I think it cost $13,000 + install back then.
I remember seeing a complete 6.0 on display in a Ford dealership parts dept several years ago. I think it cost $13,000 + install back then.
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I spoke with the parts manager today, he said there was about $13,000 in parts. What would labor be to remove and replace a motor? Plus, why should I pay for an injector when it was a toasted motor, unless it wasn't toast until they worked on it. When the FICM was installed, I showed up. The tech said hang out I'm going to start it. He did, it wasn't running all that great and started revving it a bunch, ice cold, white smoke coming out. I never had any smoke when I had it. There are no winners here, even if I get a deal, or they lower the price down, its been 9 weeks, starting 10 today. It was mismanaged from the get go, I believe mis-diagnosed, and they want me to pick up the tab. In the beginning they said it could be as much as $15,000, I thought $17,000 was fair, but now I think $15,000 and let them eat some of it. We'll see where this goes. Thanks to all for the info!
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Also, nothing is in writing, but I did tell them to do a new motor at the $15,000.00. Had it been $20,000.00 or there abouts, I would not have done it. Funny, while talking to all of them last night, no one remembered the original quote. Everything is documented but the original quote from the first service guy. They said he didn't remember what he said, the other service guy who called me after talking him, supposedly didn't remember calling and telling me that either!
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Threat of perjury doesn’t necessarily work either, it’s starts as the reincarnation of Sargent Shultz and ends with a Hillary Clinton impersonation. I see nothing, I remember nothing.
The dealership is more experienced with this situation then you are. Legally you’re not removing the vehicle without their allowance for payment, whatever they agree to. Pulling the vehicle under darkness or withdrawing funds afterwards gets you the legal target. Paying with a credit card while knowing you’ll dispute the charge is theft, same with a check, and they may only take a check, a certified check. So you can fight this out with legal assistance prior to handing over funds, or do so after all funds are passed. It’s a crappy place to be.
Work on a vehicle should never be done without a written estimate and it’s best that each party has a new agreement when things are going to exceed a fair amount. And bad diagnosis judgement occurs more often then it should. You can have an inexperienced person burn though a lot of your cash before the service manager realizes the assigned person is over his head. You really need someone who is experienced in fighting this situation . If there’s a news organization that does consumer fraud segments you might have an additional support, but verbal contracts today are worth the hot air used to create them.
The dealership is more experienced with this situation then you are. Legally you’re not removing the vehicle without their allowance for payment, whatever they agree to. Pulling the vehicle under darkness or withdrawing funds afterwards gets you the legal target. Paying with a credit card while knowing you’ll dispute the charge is theft, same with a check, and they may only take a check, a certified check. So you can fight this out with legal assistance prior to handing over funds, or do so after all funds are passed. It’s a crappy place to be.
Work on a vehicle should never be done without a written estimate and it’s best that each party has a new agreement when things are going to exceed a fair amount. And bad diagnosis judgement occurs more often then it should. You can have an inexperienced person burn though a lot of your cash before the service manager realizes the assigned person is over his head. You really need someone who is experienced in fighting this situation . If there’s a news organization that does consumer fraud segments you might have an additional support, but verbal contracts today are worth the hot air used to create them.
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There’s another thread on the site about this type of problem, so it might be useful to cross post it for someone else in the future.
https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/1...-mechanic.html
and to answer an earlier question about the current pricing on a soup to nuts pricing on a “complete” motor, which is crazy.
