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Old 04-11-2018, 11:23 AM
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Hello all, I've enjoyed the site for a couple weeks and I've decided to share my truck and ask a few questions.






Block is C7ME-H, Heads are C8AE-H with an Autolite 2bbl on it and C6 swapped in. It's got a nice set of FPA tri-y headers, 2.5 duals with 2 chamber mufflers and an Ignitor II on a vacuum advance and no mechanical. I'm new to F-100s but not to slinging grease and bending wrenches. Since the whole engine is "mismatched" parts and I have no clue what cam is in it, and the PO's mechanic installed the distributor 180 out and it's got wicked stumble off idle and it's got a hard hot start condition. I haven't checked for the correct "resistor" wire on the coil yet and it'll get an aluminum intake and 750 Holley soon so I'm not really concerned about the drive-ability until new parts show up. I've done plenty of research but never hurts to hear from the experienced folks. First question I guess is what's the part number for the vertical oil filter adapter? It just seems that it would be better for the engine compared to the horizontal setup. Any input on that idea? Second, what's the basics of the kickdown linkage, adjusting and so on. Mine's missing and I'm tied between finding a FoMoCo part that'll work or mess around with the Lokar kit.
 
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Old 04-11-2018, 11:55 AM
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I have a 66 F250 and tried replacing the vertical oil pump adapter with a horizontal one and the filter would not go on. Too much interference with the cross frame. Couldn't even dent the filter to go on so I changed it back. This was with power steering swapped FE engine towers from a 70's 2wd. If you draw a straight line straight out about 3-4 inches from where the adapter attaches and then the height of a filter, you might can see if it would work on yours or not.
 
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Old 04-11-2018, 12:58 PM
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Block is C7ME-H, Heads are C8AE-H with an Autolite 2bbl on it and C6 swapped in. It's got a nice set of FPA tri-y headers, 2.5 duals with 2 chamber mufflers and an Ignitor II on a vacuum advance and no mechanical. I'm new to F-100s but not to slinging grease and bending wrenches. Since the whole engine is "mismatched" parts and I have no clue what cam is in it, and the PO's mechanic installed the distributor 180 out and it's got wicked stumble off idle and it's got a hard hot start condition.

I haven't checked for the correct "resistor" wire on the coil yet and it'll get an aluminum intake and 750 Holley soon so I'm not really concerned about the drive-ability until new parts show up. I've done plenty of research but never hurts to hear from the experienced folks.

First question I guess is what's the part number for the vertical oil filter adapter? It just seems that it would be better for the engine compared to the horizontal setup.
FE block has a 1967 casting number, so it could be a 352, 390, 410 or 428. You'll have to measure the stroke to determine the size of the engine.

Cylinder heads are 1968/71 360/390.
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C0LF-12250-A .. Resistor Wire-Ignition Coil (Motorcraft DY-37) / Obsolete ~ Available NOS & from auto parts stores.

61.49" long / color coded pink / 1.30-1.40 ohms resistance / #20 gauge wire / 1960/72 all FoMoCo vehicles.
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You do not want the FE vertical oil filter adapter, as it was only used with cars. The FE horizontal adapter (C5TZ-6881-B) was used with F100/350's.

The left motor mount on F100/350's is notorious for breaking, causing the engine to rear up. When it comes back down, the vertically mounted oil filter could hit the cross member, splitting it open. Not pleasant!
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The hood on your truck appears to have flown up, possibly causing the hinges to stretch. The hood no longer sits level with the cowl panel.

This is a common problem on these trucks. The hood is not latched correctly, air gets under it, causing it to begin to lift. The safety catch is worthless, so up it goes...possibly hitting the top of the windshield.

When you close the hood, do not slam it. Bring it almost all the way down, then with the palm of your hand, firmly press on it so it latches properly.
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1965/66 F100/250 2WD 352 used a 20" accelerator cable (C5TZ-9A758-AH) that's been reproduced. See 9A758 in pic.

 
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Bill, you are a Saint Sir! I left out that the engine is a 3.98"stroke so I'll have to wait to pull the heads to mic the bore for the displacement. Are these heads considered low riser then? It's not a big deal to me, I just like to know the details. I appreciate the wire and oil filter info too. The hood has definitely had some issues. The picture in my garage is actually improvement from when I bought it. The inner brace, outer steel and inner steel actually broke spot welds and separated. I do believe the hood hinge rivets have seen better days too. The whole thing stuck up another inch or so higher before. Again, thanks very much for your wisdom and input!
 
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Old 04-11-2018, 02:55 PM
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Bill, you are a Saint Sir! I left out that the engine is a 3.98"stroke so I'll have to wait to pull the heads to mic the bore for the displacement. Are these heads considered low riser then? It's not a big deal to me, I just like to know the details. I appreciate the wire and oil filter info too. The hood has definitely had some issues. The picture in my garage is actually improvement from when I bought it. The inner brace, outer steel and inner steel actually broke spot welds and separated. I do believe the hood hinge rivets have seen better days too. The whole thing stuck up another inch or so higher before. Again, thanks very much for your wisdom and input!
B&S: 4.05" x 3.98" = 410 from a 1967 Mercury Parklane.

The heads were standard equipment on 1968/71 Galaxie/LTD 390 and 1968/71 F100/350 360/390. There's nothing special about them.

The hood flew up on my '65 F100 after I had the oil/filter replaced, as the lube man didn't close it properly. I was only going about 30 MPH so it didn't fly all the way up.

This also occurred on a 1963 F100 I was driving north on the Hollywood freeway near the Sunset Blvd offramp.

What's interesting is, I had driven two different freeways from West L/A to the Ford parts depot in Commerce, then from there, took another freeway to the 101 (Hollywood). Hood never moved.

When the hood flew up, it hit the top of the windshield. I was driving 65 MPH in the fast lane and was literally blind as I tried to make my way over to the shoulder. It was a real b!tch.
 

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The Lord knows Number Dummy knows more about this stuff than I do, but I'm pretty sure the 4.05 x 3.98 bore and stroke in for the Mercury 410 cubic inch engine. 4.13 x 3.98 is the bore and stroke for the 428. Yes?
 
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The Lord knows Number Dummy knows more about this stuff than I do, but I'm pretty sure the 4.05 x 3.98 bore and stroke in for the Mercury 410 cubic inch engine. 4.13 x 3.98 is the bore and stroke for the 428. Yes?
You are correct, I should have looked it up before posting it. Correction of post performed.
 
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Old 04-12-2018, 09:15 AM
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Thanks again. That's what I was tracking; either 410 or 428 based. It runs pretty solid for a 2bbl so it'll be a nice strong cruiser.
 
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Old 04-12-2018, 08:58 PM
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Or 352 based, like mine. Bored + .050, added 3.98 crank = 410. Nothing Mercury, nothing mysterious.
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Or 352 based, like mine. Bored + .050, added 3.98 crank = 410. Nothing Mercury, nothing mysterious.
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Sounds like we have a similar motor but I refer to mine as mysterious since it is a stroker plus I have the Mercury valve covers.

For anyone interested in automotive arithmatic here is the equation to calculate engine displacement:

Bore x Bore x Stroke x Number of cylinders x 0.7854 = engine size

You can use inches or millimeters just make sure which ever unit of measure you use is the same for all measurements.
 
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Old 04-12-2018, 09:29 PM
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The "arithmatic" is correct. Try it on a 427's dimensions to see what Ford was up to.
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I think I read somewhere that Ford's 427 is actually only 425 c.i. Ford is bad for oversizing their motors. They never made a 5.0L V8 either!
 
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Old 04-13-2018, 09:26 AM
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Yeah, agreed! That's what they get for switching to metric sizing. I refer to this engine as a mystery motor. I won't know for sure until next winter when we pull it for a light hone, gaskets and aerosol overhaul.
 
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If you find a 428 block it might bring good money - maybe enough to pay for a rebuild of a bored and stroked 352, 360, or 390.
 
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I think I read somewhere that Ford's 427 is actually only 425 c.i. Ford is bad for oversizing their motors. They never made a 5.0L V8 either!
Say it ain't so! "Rollin in my 4.9 with my ragtop down so my hair can blow" just doesn't sound right.
 

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