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Old Mar 10, 2020 | 08:49 PM
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This guy is discussing the test and makes an “at home” test method.
 
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Old Mar 10, 2020 | 08:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Brian Hanks
my ball joints tested fine in normal tests for distraction and compression. They failed the friction test (not sure if that is what you call it I will have to find a video or the TSB I found on it back then).
Anytime I would hit a bump or the contour would change the truck wanted to follow. Could be all you listed coming into play honestly. I had to replace it all and it gradually got better. Ball joints were last. But besides the box where the problem.
I did the ball joints back in 2012 and everything else but the steering box in 2017. UGHHHHHH... does it really wear out that fast?
 
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Old Mar 10, 2020 | 09:01 PM
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Couldn’t tell for sure until you tested them. You certainly would not be the first person that had a steering box that didn’t last long also. How many miles have you put on it?
 
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Old Mar 10, 2020 | 10:37 PM
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Originally Posted by afonda
So she is wandering like a drunk bum again..... i just put new Moog wheel hubs (the ones with 3yr warranty) on last weekend hoping to fix the wandering... did not fix the problem... So what is it????
1. ball joints? (there is no popping sounds)
2. tie rods,
3. bushings?

She seems to steer straight and then all the sudden just going to the left or to the right for no reason...

Andy
there is a reason, lets find it

step 1.
what is your ride height at all 4 corners ? center of hub to fender lip ?

step 2.
fo you have the print out from your last alignment ?


edit... Ball joints do not wear from time, rather milage. how many miles on yours ?

if you drove 10,000 miles a year for the last year then yes 80k miles is about their service life. give or take

 
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Old Mar 10, 2020 | 10:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Brian Hanks
Couldn’t tell for sure until you tested them. You certainly would not be the first person that had a steering box that didn’t last long also. How many miles have you put on it?
probably original.. 302k miles
 
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Old Mar 10, 2020 | 11:13 PM
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probably original.. 302k miles
sorry meant on the new ball joints and other new steering components
 
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Old Mar 11, 2020 | 05:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Brian Hanks
sorry meant on the new ball joints and other new steering components
steering box is probably the OE.
Ball joints probably 75k / 8yrs old
All new steering linkage including track bar in 2017/2018.
Just installed new wheel hubs 4 days ago.
 
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Old Mar 11, 2020 | 08:00 AM
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Originally Posted by afonda
steering box is probably the OE.
Ball joints probably 75k / 8yrs old
All new steering linkage including track bar in 2017/2018.
Just installed new wheel hubs 4 days ago.
What brand Ball joints? I was lucky to get that mileage from moogs. I quit using them in spite of ‘free’ replacements...

Test BJ’s by jacking tire just off the ground and use a long prybar to lift tire while looking at BJ’s for movement/play. It helps to have an assistant for this.
 
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Old Mar 11, 2020 | 08:25 AM
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What brand Ball joints? I was lucky to get that mileage from moogs. I quit using them in spite of ‘free’ replacements...

Test BJ’s by jacking tire just off the ground and use a long prybar to lift tire while looking at BJ’s for movement/play. It helps to have an assistant for this.
pretty sure I bought the moog problem solver ball joints.
 
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Old Mar 11, 2020 | 12:21 PM
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What is toe set at? That's the first thing I would look at for wandering steering.

 
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Old Mar 11, 2020 | 02:52 PM
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What is toe set at? That's the first thing I would look at for wandering steering.
I understand.. but I'm quite certain it's a worn out part.. just need to identify it.
 
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Old Mar 11, 2020 | 03:03 PM
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Well, if you decide to go with a new gear, the ones I noted below would be my choices.

BlueTop or West Texas Offroad (WTO) and then a RedHead.

I had my steering gear explode on me just as I was parking the truck to start a 8 day camping trip after we had backed the 5th wheel in. It was the original gear with ~230,000 miles on it and it had a cover that was in a diamond shape with only 2 bolts. The only others I have seen online or in stores have a square top with 4 bolts. So, I think my gear was really old and had served the truck well for 2 decades.

I replaced it with an AutoZone gear because I needed to get the truck on the road again quickly. Luckily another FTE'r drove 3 hours one way to help me out and good thing he did too because he brought some crow foot wrenches that were critical to the job. 6 months later I replaced the AutoZone gear because it was leaking. I used their "lifetime warranty" replacement plan and I was just hoping that was a one off issue. The second AutoZone gear is leaking as well and the pitman arm shaft has some play in it vertically.

This is probably one of my issues causing loose steering, but life has been busy to say the least. I have about an inch of play in the steering wheel when turning and it drives me nuts. I plan to rebuild the front end with all new components, bars, ball joints, unit bearings, etc... One of the replacement parts will be a BlueTop or WTO steering gear.

 
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Old Mar 11, 2020 | 03:24 PM
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Im happy with my bluetop thus far. My oem box on the 03 had about 202k on it and it had alot of slop. Drives nice and tight and has a heavier "feel" to the steering
 
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Old Mar 11, 2020 | 04:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Sous
Well, if you decide to go with a new gear, the ones I noted below would be my choices.

BlueTop or West Texas Offroad (WTO) and then a RedHead.

I had my steering gear explode on me just as I was parking the truck to start a 8 day camping trip after we had backed the 5th wheel in. It was the original gear with ~230,000 miles on it and it had a cover that was in a diamond shape with only 2 bolts. The only others I have seen online or in stores have a square top with 4 bolts. So, I think my gear was really old and had served the truck well for 2 decades.

I replaced it with an AutoZone gear because I needed to get the truck on the road again quickly. Luckily another FTE'r drove 3 hours one way to help me out and good thing he did too because he brought some crow foot wrenches that were critical to the job. 6 months later I replaced the AutoZone gear because it was leaking. I used their "lifetime warranty" replacement plan and I was just hoping that was a one off issue. The second AutoZone gear is leaking as well and the pitman arm shaft has some play in it vertically.

This is probably one of my issues causing loose steering, but life has been busy to say the least. I have about an inch of play in the steering wheel when turning and it drives me nuts. I plan to rebuild the front end with all new components, bars, ball joints, unit bearings, etc... One of the replacement parts will be a BlueTop or WTO steering gear.
call me crazy... but the steering box feels tight. I think its sumptn else...
 
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Old Mar 11, 2020 | 07:46 PM
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Originally Posted by afonda
So she is wandering like a drunk bum again..... i just put new Moog wheel hubs (the ones with 3yr warranty) on last weekend hoping to fix the wandering... did not fix the problem... So what is it????
1. ball joints? (there is no popping sounds)
2. tie rods,
3. bushings?

She seems to steer straight and then all the sudden just going to the left or to the right for no reason...

Andy
It may be worth checking your 4x4 u joints. Mine were rusted which caused binding in the steering, the truck would wander as if it had a mind of its own.
 
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