Aftermarket transmission pan
#1
Aftermarket transmission pan
Has anyone installed an aftermarket deep aluminum tranny pan with cooling fins like the Mag Hytec or BD diesel?
I’m wondering what kind of drop in transmission temperature can be expected with one of these. There has to be some drop in temp with the extra fluid capacity and the fins should help a little as well. Summertime is close and i’m hoping to bring my tranny temps down from high’s in the 240’s.
I’m wondering what kind of drop in transmission temperature can be expected with one of these. There has to be some drop in temp with the extra fluid capacity and the fins should help a little as well. Summertime is close and i’m hoping to bring my tranny temps down from high’s in the 240’s.
#2
None.
No, there does not. Extra fluid takes longer to heat up, but by the same logic once it does heat up it takes longer to cool down. So your gain is nothing at all.
There also isn't a great deal of fluid movement right at the inside pan surface, so it isn't a great conductor of heat. A cooler has flowing fluid and often turbulators in it to keep the fluid moving and transferring heat. A pan doesn't have that.
If you want to make the underside of your truck look pretty a pan is a good way to go. If you get one to cool the transmission you'll be greatly disappointed.
#3
None.
No, there does not. Extra fluid takes longer to heat up, but by the same logic once it does heat up it takes longer to cool down. So your gain is nothing at all.
If you could move the trans pan out to the grill where it would see cool air this might work a little. The air around the pan is HOT. The air off the coolers pass over it, and the exhaust is nearby. This isn't a good location to cool things.
There also isn't a great deal of fluid movement right at the inside pan surface, so it isn't a great conductor of heat. A cooler has flowing fluid and often turbulators in it to keep the fluid moving and transferring heat. A pan doesn't have that.
If you want to make the underside of your truck look pretty a pan is a good way to go. If you get one to cool the transmission you'll be greatly disappointed.
No, there does not. Extra fluid takes longer to heat up, but by the same logic once it does heat up it takes longer to cool down. So your gain is nothing at all.
If you could move the trans pan out to the grill where it would see cool air this might work a little. The air around the pan is HOT. The air off the coolers pass over it, and the exhaust is nearby. This isn't a good location to cool things.
There also isn't a great deal of fluid movement right at the inside pan surface, so it isn't a great conductor of heat. A cooler has flowing fluid and often turbulators in it to keep the fluid moving and transferring heat. A pan doesn't have that.
If you want to make the underside of your truck look pretty a pan is a good way to go. If you get one to cool the transmission you'll be greatly disappointed.
So, if I have an extra 4 to 6 quarts of fluid from a deep pan and the transmission fluid only spikes to, let’s say 235 degrees, wouldn’t that be better for the fluid and the transmission itself? Yes, it will take longer to cool down but it wouldn’t be reaching those temperatures that are not good from what I’ve read.
Yes, the pans look cool but you can’t even see them under the truck, so to me, it doesn’t matter what it looks like. I’m looking to protect my huge investment in my truck and a few hundred more $ would be worth it to me. I understand that there is a balance between final cost and how the average driver will use their truck when considering the development of a transmission.
Just wondering.
#5
I assumed the Superduty already had an auxiliary "Transmission Cooler"? My current F350 is "manual" trans, never gave it a thought until reading this post.
#6
The question is, are 245 degree spikes detrimental to this particular transmission? I have read that it is, as a general rule, so I would like to prevent those spikes. Is 220 sustained degrees bad for this transmission? Again this is normal towing temp on mine. I have never read anywhere on this forum where someone definitely knows, just opinions. I have read many times that running fluid temps of 220 degrees can cut the life of your transmission in half. It is well known by now that the new Super Duty’s run a lot hotter than previous generations but no talk on how the tranny has been redisigned to handle the higher temps.
There is one thread where someone went into limp mode pulling a grade from high temperatures when it wasn’t even a hot outside temperature. Many more have seen high “spikes” in tranny temps like I have, as well.
i’m not In the camp that if Ford designed it, it can handle it. There is always a balance in cost, durability, average consumer use and staying competitive by manufacturers and this is how aftermarket companies have thrived in many instances.
Although opinions are great sometimes, I’d love to hear if anyone on this forum has real world before and after temperature readings with installing one of these pans.
#7
I have considered installing a stacked plate auxiliary cooler but a pan would be so much easier and reliable (fluid leaks) if it did indeed control a 10 degree spike while pulling a grade with 6 quarts of extra fluid. I have read a lot of real world tests that show these pans can actually reduce the fluid temperature by 10 degrees in this type of scenario and these are test by folks who are not affiliated with a pan manufacturer. According to what Mark said, it would appear that the tranny would take longer to heat up with more fluid.
The question is, are 245 degree spikes detrimental to this particular transmission? I have read that it is, as a general rule, so I would like to prevent those spikes. Is 220 sustained degrees bad for this transmission? Again this is normal towing temp on mine. I have never read anywhere on this forum where someone definitely knows, just opinions. I have read many times that running fluid temps of 220 degrees can cut the life of your transmission in half. It is well known by now that the new Super Duty’s run a lot hotter than previous generations but no talk on how the tranny has been redisigned to handle the higher temps.
There is one thread where someone went into limp mode pulling a grade from high temperatures when it wasn’t even a hot outside temperature. Many more have seen high “spikes” in tranny temps like I have, as well.
i’m not In the camp that if Ford designed it, it can handle it. There is always a balance in cost, durability, average consumer use and staying competitive by manufacturers and this is how aftermarket companies have thrived in many instances.
Although opinions are great sometimes, I’d love to hear if anyone on this forum has real world before and after temperature readings with installing one of these pans.
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#8
Unlike the haters on here I have installed aftermarket trans pans and seeing average a 15-30* drop in temps. Yes you get about 4 more quarts of fluid but the difference comes from the raw cast aluminum case which allows the heat to exchange much faster.
I am not for altering or changing things but this is a useful modification.
Do NOT install a painted/coated/altered pan as the paint or coating does not allow for heat to escape. Raw cast aluminum only.
I am not for altering or changing things but this is a useful modification.
Do NOT install a painted/coated/altered pan as the paint or coating does not allow for heat to escape. Raw cast aluminum only.
#10
I'm going to order the Mag Hytec pan and give it a try. I'll report back in a few months to let you all know what kind of temperature reductions (if any) that I see.
Does anyone have any idea how many quarts of fluid I'll need for a refill when I drop the factory pan? I know I'll need an extra 5 quarts for this pan.
Does anyone have any idea how many quarts of fluid I'll need for a refill when I drop the factory pan? I know I'll need an extra 5 quarts for this pan.
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I live in cold climates and I do what I call the "Fairbanks" treatment to all of my vehicles. Meaning block heater, oil pan heater, battery blanket/heater. I use a 150W stick-on heating pad on the oil pan. Here is my question: would another 150W heating pad on the bottom of the transmission pan be worth the effort? Since the pan holds a small quantity of the entire capacity of the transmission. This is in reference to the auto trans behind the 6.7.
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