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Old Mar 9, 2018 | 10:02 AM
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I pull a similar trailer (24' G/N, 2 7k axles, 4700# empty weight) quite a bit. I am approaching 20k miles (out of 47k total) towing. My truck is diesel and I live in Florida so it's mostly easy terrain. My main concerns, with the gas motor, would be the terrain and length of trip. I am sure it is capable of pulling the load, but it may make for a stressful trip if it is constantly downshifting and straining on uphill grades. As long as your trailer, especially the brakes, is in good condition you should be ok. Good luck.
 
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Old Mar 9, 2018 | 10:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Snowman 8


I wouldn’t even call them slow. Just mash the go pedal to the floor, let the transmission downshift and let that 6.2 sing a little.
It will definitely be singing, and they do sound good. Maybe we're not talking about the same steepness of hill. Towing 13k, an F-250 with the 6.2L is unable to maintain 60mph traveling up the IKE gauntlet. That's an extreme example, but we have a lot of shorter hills of that same steepness here in New England.

Originally Posted by JasonB1
You are exceeding the manufacturer's recommended towing capacity by a significant amount.

What about road and weather conditions?

What if you have to make an evasive maneuver? Sudden stop? What if you have an accident?

I personally would not do it.
The 250 is equipped with the same brakes, tires, steering, and nearly the same suspension as a 350 SRW truck which would be well within the rated capability. A 350 rated for this load would also be subject to weather and road conditions. DOT police *could* fine him for being overweight when compared to the GVWR sticker on the door, or GCWR...but from a safety perspective there is really zero issue. Just need to keep the truck from squatting too much in the rear. Airbags, helper springs, or a W/D hitch will all solve the problem. Legally, the problem is that he paid for a 10k GVW registration but he'll likely be above that on payload and GCWR...so the problem lies in not paying for appropriate weight registration. Chances of being stopped for this are low, although pulling a gooseneck with a 250 might raise eyebrows. Just get an F-350 badge of Amazon to avoid raising eyebrows, lol.

Originally Posted by amartz02
I'm curious where your're getting your information. If you read the towing guide the SRW PS trucks top out at 18K bumper pull and over 20K gooseneck/5th wheel. For licensing purposes you can get a de-rated SD that would pull less.
RAM's towing guide shows right around 17k for towing even with a 2500, despite still having a 10k GVWR. They have higher combined ratings (GCWR) than the Super Duty's, unless the high capacity tow package is selected...which raises that rating. A standard 250 is rated to pull around 15k (My 2017 diesel 250 does not have the high-capacity tow package and that is about the rating). The other thing RAM does is rate its SRW trucks higher on GVW than Ford does, on 3500 trucks. For example, a RAM SRW 3500 has a 12,300 GVW. Ford limits to 11,400. That automatically means a higher payload and GCWR.
 
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Old Mar 9, 2018 | 10:18 AM
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Throw towing capacity numbers out the window. They are advertising gimmicks. Take a look at the white and yellow "Tire and Loading Information" sticker in the door frame of a comparably equipped truck that you are interested in. The number for each truck is almost unique, based on the model configuration and options. The payload/cargo capacity number is the limiting factor when safely towing. For a large 5th wheel, the 250 probably won't handle it. IMHO the Ford SD payload numbers on that sticker are usually better than other brand SD trucks, comparably equipped.
 
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Old Mar 9, 2018 | 11:51 AM
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Originally Posted by amartz02
I'm curious where your're getting your information. If you read the towing guide the SRW PS trucks top out at 18K bumper pull and over 20K gooseneck/5th wheel. For licensing purposes you can get a de-rated SD that would pull less.
Straight from the 2018 Ford Super Duty Towing Guide https://www.ford.com/cmslibs/content...tyPU_Nov27.pdf

Looking at page 5, for the SRW 350, Crew Cab, 6-3/4' box, Powerstroke. Specifically says 15,000 as max, unless you get 8' bed, which is when it goes up to 18,000. Even in the 3.55 gearing, max is still 15k for the 6 3/4' box. What I didn't realize was the 20,600 rating for gooseneck/5th.

I think I'm also confused why there's so many GCWR values. Aside from door sticker, how can I tell the GCWR of these trucks on Ford's site?
 
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Old Mar 9, 2018 | 11:58 AM
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Originally Posted by bitNine
Straight from the 2018 Ford Super Duty Towing Guide https://www.ford.com/cmslibs/content...tyPU_Nov27.pdf

Looking at page 5, for the SRW 350, Crew Cab, 6-3/4' box, Powerstroke. Specifically says 15,000 as max, unless you get 8' bed, which is when it goes up to 18,000. Even in the 3.55 gearing, max is still 15k for the 6 3/4' box. What I didn't realize was the 20,600 rating for gooseneck/5th.

I think I'm also confused why there's so many GCWR values. Aside from door sticker, how can I tell the GCWR of these trucks on Ford's site?
Its mostly for registration requirements of different states. Some states have different rules for commercial vehicles, for example, in CA my F250 is the 10,000 GCVW version so I don't have to pay exorbitant registration fees or be illegally towing. Even though its exactly the same as the other trucks. Its a paper de-rating.
 
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Old Mar 9, 2018 | 11:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Barbero
IMHO the Ford SD payload numbers on that sticker are usually better than other brand SD trucks, comparably equipped.
My current truck is a '16 Ram 3500, very well-loaded (including heavier Aisin transmission), and all the SD 350s I've looked at have payload ratings about 400lb under my Ram, which has 3840lb. Most of the 350 Lariats I've seen are in the 3400 range, though I've only glanced at 4 or 5. I guess I'll have to take a closer look today when I head to the dealer.
 
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Old Mar 9, 2018 | 12:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Tricon
Its mostly for registration requirements of different states. Some states have different rules for commercial vehicles, for example, in CA my F250 is the 10,000 GCVW version so I don't have to pay exorbitant registration fees or be illegally towing. Even though its exactly the same as the other trucks. Its a paper de-rating.
I guess that makes sense. Just funny there's 28,600 GCW and 28,700 GCW on that chart. There must be some state that has 28,600 as a max rating for 1-ton or something. What really gets me is the 21,600 GCW rating.
 
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Old Mar 9, 2018 | 12:29 PM
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The pin weight for that loaded trailer will be about 2,900 lbs, assuming it follows the 20% rule that RV trailers do. What is the cargo capacity of your F-250?
 
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Old Mar 9, 2018 | 01:13 PM
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The XL, CCSB, with some XLT stuff is just 3100#.
 
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Old Mar 9, 2018 | 01:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Buliwyf
The XL, CCSB, with some XLT stuff is just 3100#.
If the OP and the OP's wife are midgets, er, vertically challenged persons, then he might come in under the cargo capacity. But I don't see it happening.
 
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Old Mar 9, 2018 | 05:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Buliwyf
The XL, CCSB, with some XLT stuff is just 3100#.
My lariat ccsb is 3150#, so I would think he would be a little higher. But I guess probably not a lot.
 
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Old Mar 9, 2018 | 06:11 PM
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My STX CCSB 250 is 3322.
 
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Old Mar 9, 2018 | 07:28 PM
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If the OP and the OP's wife are midgets, er, vertically challenged persons, then he might come in under the cargo capacity. But I don't see it happening.
Im pretty sure you’re the only person here suggesting he’s trying to stay under sticker capacities. From a legal standpoint he may be overloaded. Not from a physical.
 
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Old Mar 9, 2018 | 07:32 PM
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As others have stated your F-250 is similar to the F-350. If you go through with this I’d recommend putting on the helper spring and the rear block that the 350 has. These two items are the cheapest way to make your 250 more capable. The helper spring will give you ~1000# axel capacity and the taller bed block will help keep the rear end level. I’d also lock out 5&6 and likely 4th gear on those big hills. Good luck.
 
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Old Mar 9, 2018 | 07:47 PM
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Originally Posted by bitNine
My current truck is a '16 Ram 3500, very well-loaded (including heavier Aisin transmission), and all the SD 350s I've looked at have payload ratings about 400lb under my Ram, which has 3840lb. Most of the 350 Lariats I've seen are in the 3400 range, though I've only glanced at 4 or 5. I guess I'll have to take a closer look today when I head to the dealer.
Really? Here's what my SD says for payload:

 
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