lost my old log in for here so i guess technically im new and its been years since ive logged in so hello.
sorry if incorrect spot only posted a few times

i have a 97 7.3 build 12/97.
bought a 'e99' build 2/99.
it was from a old man its all original without a doubt...
here's my issue. vin verified e99. also it has non bellowed up pipes, 2 glow plug relays. all gravy right? wrong
it has a red label b250 '250hp' on cover, a late 99 turbo, pedestal, 3 inch intakes, intake heater etc..

i'm trying to swap the "e99" intercooler and turbo set up over and i'm kinda stuck.
do i just order normal uppipes? or will the bellowed work? the manifolds are identical to my 97.
i'm just trying to figure out how the heck the late 99 turbo and pedestal are working with the normal up pipes on the "e99" i have..

i am well aware of having to swap intakes etc. i already plan on swapping the e-fuel and fuel tank over to my 97 also

 

Normal up pipes for both the early and late super duty's did not have bellows. That was an upgrade that became available later. If everything else points to late 99, then that's what you have. Neither my late 99 or my 02 came with bellowed up pipes, but aftermarket versions from either International or Dorman are available.

Exhaust manifolds should not be the same between the super duty and the OBS. Up pipes are different, so one of the exhaust manifolds is different as well.

 

Did you verify the vin on the frame is the same vin on the engine? I don't remember the L99 coming with bellowed up pipes. Sounds like either you have a L99+ engine or someone converted your E99 to a L99 pedestal including non bellowed up pipes.

 

yes only thing that doesn't match is the turbo set up. i have heard of a few e99/l99 hybrids coming out of ford as they used up all the e99 parts

 

i was under impression all l99+ had bellowed.
since my 97 was a build date of 12/97 its also obd2. and i assure you the ex manifolds are identical to those on the 2/99 truck

 

Production date of 2/99 IS a LATE '99 ( '99.5-'03)
Everything I have read states that anything with a build date BEFORE 12/8/1998 is an E99, and anything after is Late '99 ('99.5)

You don't have 2 glow plug relays. You have 1 glow plug relay AND 1 Air Intake Heater. The AIH was not installed in E99 trucks, nor did the spider have a hole for it.

You are overthinking this and make it way more confusing and complicated then need be. You truck is, and always has been, a Late 99 ( '99.5-'03)

NO SuperDuty 7.3L came with "bellowed" up-pipes from the factory.
T444E International engines did. ( School bus, rollback, etc...)
The non-bellowed Ford up-pipes are prone to leakage and gasket failure. As such, many people have upgraded them. In the past, the extremely expensive International ones were the only option. Although a number of people continue to enjoy wasting money buying the International pipes, there is a much more affordable Dorman version available now ( along with numerous other fab shop copies); at least for the '99.5-'03. There are far fewer options for the E99.

What exactly are you trying to do here? Give us some more info, before you go butchering several trucks for nothing.

 

You should really stop "assuring" people about things you are clearly misinformed about.

Your 1997 7.3L truck is NOT OBD2. For that matter, the '99-'03 SuperDuty 7.3L are only partially OBD2 compliant, which is why most "budget" scanners/code readers don't work on them.

A 1997 7.3L exhaust manifold will NOT fit a '99-'03 SuperDuty 7.3L, and vice versa.
A quick glance may lead you to think they will, but they are not the same.
An E99 will have the same exhaust manifolds as an L99. The difference is in the up-pipes, to accommodate the different height of the turbo pedestal.


Again, you should really think (or research) before you proclaim to KNOW things you clearly do not.

 

You're impression was incorrect, and you're going to have some quite some difficulty getting the super duty up pipes to fit your OBS manifold, but good luck.

 

my 97 has a obd2 port under dash. my snap on and cheapo scanner both will scan and buzz test it all day as well as show duty cycle, icp pressure, coolant, etc etc.
i'm not hacking up 2 trucks. i bought a running 99 for $600 to use the fmic set up, and apparently now the turbo for my 97
97 already has shackle reverse, ts6, 160/100 injectors, gauges, tymar, downpipe, 4 inch exhaust blah blah blah.
everything ive read on this forum says this truck is a e99. vin, badges, 110v idm, no cruise light, front hubs, axle hardware, and ive read on here 3/99 is cut off which is why i bought it.
i have done alot of obs trucks not superdutys.
my confusion was the up pipes. i can over come the spider by just using the 3 inch intakes.
in either case i will order a set of 99-03 up pipes and y pipe thanks for reminding me why i only read theses and not participate (y)

 

December of '98 is when the later engine build went into production (not sure what date). The suspension parts got changed over as the older style parts got used up and, thus, got feathered into the production line. By 3/99 most of the older parts were out of use. Since you're not using the rest of the truck it shouldn't matter to you but when buying parts for trucks in that window a VIN is pretty much essential to insure that you come home with the right thing (well, it improves your odds anyway).

 

Then perhaps you should go back to just reading and stop asking for help for things you don't know about. If you don't want to participate, stay out of it and go search youtube.

 

Oh the irony...

All 7.3L Powerstrokes (since 1994.5) are OBD-II. They are not fully compliant with the spec, as evidence by the code reader thing you mentioned, but you may rest assured that every Ford truck that left the factory with a Powerstroke badge also did so with an OBD-II connector under the dash.

You come across like an arrogant, condescending jerk (I should know) and when you attack people for being wrong and immediately follow that up with a wildly incorrect statement, well, you just look like stupid on top of it.

 

Most people do not have this experience. In fact, if you have a cheapo OBD-II scanner, you would be doing a great service by posting the name, model, and a picture of it because all of the forum's collective experience is always that cheapo scanners will not read the codes on these trucks, never mind buzz test and read live sensor data.

I can't figure out what fcim means here.

Well... Ford does kind of have a history of using up whatever leftover parts they had around, so it kind of makes sense that after they make an initial run of parts and then change a bunch of stuff on the vehicle, they would use up the old parts as they had available. Ford isn't going to throw an axle in the trash because it isn't updated like some other components would be on a 2/99 truck so you kind of have to understand they're a business that's trying to make money.

That being said, this is a good example of why you can't necessarily trust everything you read on a forum.

Bellowed up-pipes on a Ford truck indicate that they've been changed since the truck was built. It's a good thing as someone was interested in repairing the truck the right way. It's also likely that someone changed over the turbo to a L99 even if it came with an E99 turbo originally, just to get those bellowed up-pipes.

As for Dorman vs. International on that part, yes there is a price difference ($400 vs $140? I think?) but there is also a difference in quality. When I spoke to Clay at Riff Raff about it, he said he sold both but if they were installed at his shop, he only offered a warranty if he installed Int'l pipes. That says to me that the Dorman pipes sometimes leak, and I didn't want to have to deal with that in the future. I guess I'm one of those idiots.

This is a really, really, bad example of what this forum is usually like.

 

Except that I am still right....

Merely having an OBD2 style connector does not make it OBD2. OBD2 is a specific set of legally required standard parameters/behaviors. No 7.3L Powerstroke complies with that standard, nor were they required to. Therefor, no 7.3L Powerstroke equipped truck has OBD2. They may have something that uses the OBD2 connector, and may have at least some of the functionality of OBD2, but if it doesn't have it all, then it doesn't comply with the OBD2 standard, and is NOT OBD2. That is why many "generic" ODB2 code readers don't work on 7.3L Powerstrokes.

 

He likely meant to type ficm, which no 7.3L has. The FICM is the 6.0L version of the IDM. But again, no 7.3L has a FICM


I have the Dorman pipes. They work just fine.They have been in for over 2 years with no problem. Many others have had the same positive experience. Yes, years ago, at one point, the Dormans had a design flaw, but that has been long since corrected. Unless you're building a show truck, there is no logical reason to spend $260 MORE to get the International. It must be nice to have money to burn.....
As for RiffRaff; imagine that... The guy found a great way to "bully" gullible customers into buying the far more expensive option. If a shop tried to pull that crap with me, they would get zero dollars from me. He didn't even have to stick his neck out by actually accusing the Dormans of being flawed ( An accusation he could be held accountable for ). Nope, he just refused to warranty them, and let your imagination run wild.


Didn't there use to be an emoji with a giant middle finger? Maybe I saw it somewhere else... In any case, please imagine one here: