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Old Apr 26, 2021 | 03:27 PM
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I would think the Raptor wheel with the paddle shifters would be a huge improvement in hilly terrain, as well.
 
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Old Apr 26, 2021 | 03:39 PM
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I love this mod and hate the steering column shifting. BUT, I currently have a 6 speed and wonder whether one would get sick of manual/shift with a 10 speed. It could be a hell of a lot of +/-. If the 10 speed is well programmed, it might become a moot point to have a console shifter.
 
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Old Apr 26, 2021 | 03:44 PM
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Originally Posted by 440 sixpack
You have 10 gears to go through. I run manual shift most of the time with the exhaust brake . and since everything is up or down around here and I get damn tired of reaching up like I had a 3 on the tree to shift gears. it's just plain stupid. the idea of putting it where I can rest my arm and shift with a finger is flat awesome. plus it looks good.

I don't drink lattes anyway but if I do 2 will be enough.
thankful I have a 2018 PSD and thankful I put the 8 year Ford ESP on it. I live in WA state. So, lot's of passes to get anywhere east. Never have manually shifted will towing our TT. I'll conceded that if you have a need to shift, this is a much better spot. But having that stick right there, no thanks. I guess I got use to not having it there with our Rover, so I am predisposed to not want something there.
 
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Old Apr 26, 2021 | 04:11 PM
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Originally Posted by acadianbob
I love this mod and hate the steering column shifting. BUT, I currently have a 6 speed and wonder whether one would get sick of manual/shift with a 10 speed. It could be a hell of a lot of +/-. If the 10 speed is well programmed, it might become a moot point to have a console shifter.
Automatics are never well programmed. Well...maybe for flatlanders, but never for hilly terrain. They are programmed for EPA emissions and fuel mileage first...performance second.
 
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Old Apr 26, 2021 | 05:39 PM
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Originally Posted by ATC Crazy
Automatics are never well programmed. Well...maybe for flatlanders, but never for hilly terrain. They are programmed for EPA emissions and fuel mileage first...performance second.
I don't think Superduty trucks are programmed fro fuel mileage first considering they are not required to report what it is. I understand that this may be changing (maybe it already has), but as far as I know +8500 gvwr are exempt from this requirement. Which is why you get EPA on F150 but not superduty.

I could be wrong because I am too lazy to google it though.
 
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Old Apr 26, 2021 | 06:10 PM
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Originally Posted by davidpacificnw
I don't think Superduty trucks are programmed fro fuel mileage first considering they are not required to report what it is. I understand that this may be changing (maybe it already has), but as far as I know +8500 gvwr are exempt from this requirement. Which is why you get EPA on F150 but not superduty.

I could be wrong because I am too lazy to google it though.
Of course they are. Why else would my truck be in 5th gear (overdrive) at 25mph and 6th gear (double-overdrive) at 33mph lugging along at 1000rpm? Downshifts at any throttle input...upshift again as soon as I let off the throttle...always wanting to be in the highest gear at the lowest RPM possible. It's been that way for a couple decades now, especially starting around the time of the introduction of computer-controlled transmissions and drive-by-wire crap.
 
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Old Apr 26, 2021 | 06:43 PM
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Originally Posted by ATC Crazy
Of course they are. Why else would my truck be in 5th gear (overdrive) at 25mph and 6th gear (double-overdrive) at 33mph lugging along at 1000rpm? Downshifts at any throttle input...upshift again as soon as I let off the throttle...always wanting to be in the highest gear at the lowest RPM possible. It's been that way for a couple decades now, especially starting around the time of the introduction of computer-controlled transmissions and drive-by-wire crap.
As I mentioned, Ford does not prioritize fuel mileage FIRSTf with these rigs, the prioritize performance. You think a guy towing a 5th wheel cares about a .5 MPG, or a max load and torque? Pro tip: it's the later.

Additionally, these tranny's have adaptive learning, so if you're concerned about your truck shifting like your grandma is driving it, then you should stop driving it like your grandma, right.

PS: the "computer" controlled transmission is what allows it to adapt to your driving habits. Otherwise, it would simply function in a single range and your arguement would be more valid. Sound reasonable?
 
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Old Apr 26, 2021 | 08:28 PM
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The engine baking required manual shifting to get the best use of it. and you'll do better manually shifting uphill too if you have even a basic understanding of heavy vehicle operation.

No , you don't have to these rigs have enough power and a chimp proof transmission to do fine. but you can do better.
 
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Old Apr 27, 2021 | 04:59 AM
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Originally Posted by davidpacificnw
As I mentioned, Ford does not prioritize fuel mileage FIRSTf with these rigs, the prioritize performance. You think a guy towing a 5th wheel cares about a .5 MPG, or a max load and torque? Pro tip: it's the later.

Additionally, these tranny's have adaptive learning, so if you're concerned about your truck shifting like your grandma is driving it, then you should stop driving it like your grandma, right.

PS: the "computer" controlled transmission is what allows it to adapt to your driving habits. Otherwise, it would simply function in a single range and your arguement would be more valid. Sound reasonable?
Ford doesn't prioritize fuel mileage first...they go for emissions ratings (lower emissions generally goes hand-in-hand with better MPG numbers) and a side of performance. If Ford prioritized performance, my truck would never see less than 1500rpm, and it would shift at 3000 instead of 2000rpm or less for normal daily driving
And yes, people go crazy for 0.5mpg...have you ever seen the chest thumping from the folks with 3.31 gears in a gearing thread on here?

And adaptive learning on these transmissions is crap. I drive my truck 'spirited' here in the twisty mountain roads and yet it still tries to hold the lowest RPMs possible.

So how about we just agree to disagree?
 
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Old Apr 27, 2021 | 05:40 AM
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Originally Posted by 440 sixpack
Pull a trailer a while and you'll figure out why this is a good idea.
I agree. Add in driving in snow on hilly terrain too. I was sad to discover I couldn't add the Raptor shift paddles to my truck. That shift switch on the shifter is definitely not friendly, especially if you are pulling a big load or are needing manual control on twisty, snowy roads.

My F-150 had the console shifter and I still find myself reaching for it when I want to downshift, back up, etc. Old habits...
 
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Old Apr 27, 2021 | 06:59 AM
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Originally Posted by B-ManFX4
My F-150 had the console shifter and I still find myself reaching for it when I want to downshift, back up, etc. Old habits...
soon you will jump in a regular car and haul back on the wiper stalk! lol i just did it, i cant believe the thing didnt come off in my hand
 
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Old Apr 27, 2021 | 07:23 AM
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Originally Posted by rtraviator

Yeah, because four cup holders in the center console isn’t redundant.
Four? Weaklings. I have three on the floor by my 4x4 shifter and three in the seatback of the center seat that I permanently leave folded down (so it is basically a center console). That's a total of six. Plus two in each front door.

Originally Posted by lifelineamb
Funny you mention it....I did already but if I mentioned that in my original post, my line of reasoning would have been too weak. The other useful thing that larger center section without shifter offers is a good place to prop up your cell phone. I had to install a mount to solve that problem. Complaining about high class problems....smh. In the end, everyone should do what makes them happy.
With only four, I would run out of room. I have legit had more drinks in my truck than center cupholders.
 
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