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Also noticed there is a $350 "rebuild charge" if the threads are stripped?!!! Can you say and spell RIP OFF? I mean, I have never stripped those threads, but there is a rebuild kit on RiffRaff for $38 bucks. Or, you could get those parts for about 2/3 of that price even! What a joke. Yeah, I would never give them my money. I really hate when a vendor starts to act like their crap is gold or titanium.

I always ask myself....what's my return on performance improvement for the amount of money I paid? This one is clearly a loss with core and the possible "rebuild charge". I know it rarely happens, but the mentality behind it is what I would never support financially. $100 maybe, but $350?!! Are they on cocaine? Ok....rant over LOL

 

Well, none of them will blow up your injectors. When we say "starve for oil", it just means the oil is lacking to have them fire/fucntion to best of their design. At the most, it will just set a P1211 code that means "ICP pressure insufficient". But, to answer your question....a new 17* Bosch is $499 form from RiffRaff. You can also find plenty of those used and in good condition if your budget is really tight on car-parts.com. Just make sure it is fora 2000-2003. Sous also told you about the CNC one, but I don't know the price. The T500 is proven and runs $469 last time I looked. You have a few choices.

On edit: just looked on RiffRaff website and it does state that the turnaround time is 17-21 days? That is new.

 

$475 after core charge refund is the price for the stage 1 CNC Fab pump. Based on the description of the pump, best I can tell it is a 17* pump rebuilt and tested to flow properly. CNC offers a stage 2, but you are getting up in price by then and it probably is not required.

I would have to ask Corey what the degree of the swash plate was on the stage 1 to be sure though. I am with Byron on this in regards to the Adrenaline pump. It is much more than what I would ever need, so the price is not worth it for my uses.

https://cncfab.us/shop/cnc-fab-7-3l-...sure-oil-pump/

 

Dangit Sous I don't need more choices!! That is a great price! Now I'll have to throw that one into the mix. I always like supporting a good vendor too and Corey seems to be stand-up for sure.

On edit: I just checked his website. Great prices and products! For example, the HPOP line kit is something that is a great price! I'll be adding that to my list here in the next few weeks.

 

I can vouch for Corey doing the right thing by the customer even if it means losing some money on his end. I had an experience like that a couple of years ago where he introduced a new HPX line which was updated from his previous version. Well, the supplier of the line itself basically lied to him and I was one of the first to experience the fault with the line. He had to eat the cost of the line, paid for me to ship the part back him and when he sourced a new line that worked properly he sent me one for free.

He had given me his cell phone number and spoke to me about the problem and conveyed his sincere apology for the trouble this caused me. I try to give Corey business anytime I can.

 

I believe that $350 Is if they send you a pump and you overtorque the fittings and strip them out. Then to fix it PROPERLY the pump will need to be torn down and the threads fixed then completely cleaned, reassembled and flow tested again, this takes time. I agree the thread repair price is a little high but I have heard of very few if any failures of the adrenaline pump. The T500 hasn't had such a stellar record as of late. There is a guy right now on the forum who has installed 2 T500's and neither one worked now he is waiting on a 3rd. I am waiting on the shipping of my adrenaline right now and another thing that pushed me that way was not being able to wait for 3 weeks for a T500 to be built.

 

The CNC sounds and looks good on their website. I also am consider replacing mine. I don't know that I'll ever go to bigger injectors so would this still be ok or should I just stick with a Bosch replacement?

 

The CNC is as good or better than the Bosch. If you have any questions, shoot them an email and ask specifically. After all, it is your money and time we are talking about here.

 

I didn't know about the CNC HPOP when I dealt with mine last year. Not a lot of power loss but plenty of oil coming out of the fittings. It had a lot of miles on it so I went OCD and fired a pre-emptive strike. I sent mine off and had it turned into a T500 and have been very happy with it. I think I got mine back about 8-9 days after I sent it to Terminator. It all depends on what Joey has going on and how many he has waiting for him to work on. I know that 6_myles had an issue but AFAIK that's rare.

 

$350 is the cost of our rebuild program for ANY Adrenaline out of warranty or not covered under warranty. It gives the customer a new unit and adds a 1 year warranty if he had none.
We've been offering this rebuild program for over 5 years.

Thus, $350 is the charge if you purchase a pump with OE threads and strip them during installation as we don't cover stripping the threads under warranty anymore. We're not trying to be "the bad guys"... fixing that $@#$ costs money and we give ample forewarning (including sending instructions specifically detailing the torque or lack there of when installing the fittings) and leave the option up to the customer to buy one that prevents it from happening or buying one where you take the risks. We have to "rebuild" the pump if you strip it.

Yes, we're very proud of our Adrenaline. But not sure how giving all the information we possibly can upfront so a customer can make an informed decision is a bad thing?

PS - I always giggle about cost too. Apparently, you can buy a stock rebuilt HPOP for as little as $250 which makes us look terrible or you can buy a stock rebuilt unit for as high as $800 and it makes us look amazing.
And it's funny those are the costs I hear because no one compares the cost of a stock transmission vs a beefed up one...

 

Just for those that are not aware or did not get the subtle hints, JenC is associated with Diesel Site.

Jen, thank you for the clarification on the $350 charge. This makes perfect sense to me and I am sure it will to the other FTE readers. Your right, being up front and truthful is the only way to do business and if someone cranks down on the threads, then they should be made to pay for their mistakes.

You should be proud of your Adrenaline pump, from what we have heard and read it is a very capable and robust pump.

Comparison pricing... Well that is something that will always be around. People want the best, but cannot often pay for it. I bought One Up Offroad adjustable traction bars, but had to save for quite some time to get them. If people can get the a great product that is close to the best for significantly less money, that is the product that will be chosen most of the time.

The truth is that most of us do not and will not ever need a pump that is robust as the Adrenaline. The T500, CNC Fabrication or Bosch pumps will get the job done better than we ever need for significantly less money that can be applied to other projects. I laugh too at people selling OEM remanned pumps for outrageous prices, but they sell them and to me that is taking advantage of an uninformed customer. It is what it is though and you will never find me in that situation. I might pay a high price for a mediocre product, but that will have been my only choice at the time.

"And it's funny those are the costs I hear because no one compares the cost of a stock transmission vs a beefed up one..."

I disagree with this 100%. About once a month we have a post related to what transmission can someone get at what price. A comparison to JW, BTS, Ford HD, Diesel Site, mom and pop shops, MidWest Trans and several others is always mentioned based on their need. A comparison usually follows because people want to know why they should pay close to $10K for something that they can get closer to $3K. So, we tell them and send them on their way to spend their money.

Perhaps you could have sited some information or specifications on the Adrenaline HPOP instead of laughing at us and posting argumentative information. A simple link to the Adrenaline HPOP page, or go all out and copy/paste some of the details about the pump would have been a much more appropriate response. Even better would have been some first hand information on why the pump Diesel Site offers is that much better than the others named above.

I have been a customer of Diesel Site before and had good experiences. I have had some bad experiences too. That is how this market goes. I will be a customer of Diesel Site in the future, but posts like this only make me lean further away from Diesel Site at first glance.

Maybe I am being too harsh, maybe it is the old crusty and grouchy SNCO in me that refuses to sleep now that I am a civilian?

Have a good Friday, the beer clouds are rolling in...

 

I suppose I should have clarified better I meant the stock vs not-stock price comp.

I do see price comp threads all the time but I meant specifically more like aftermarket to aftermarket. High volume vs high volume. Truly higher displacement vs higher displacement.

I would think it totally fair to compare my price with another aftermarket rebuilder - just like a John Woods vs BTS, etc. But who in the world would compare the Ford HD reman cost vs a BTS??
Should mention we get Transmission calls too and no one comps our price to a Fords. If they do pop up here, my goodness, I hope they disappear fast.

We're not a sponsor. I'm actually limited to what I can post, so I can't go into detail like we'd like. You say that but don't realize I posted what I posted because it's all I can.
I'm allowed to defend, not promote.

I'd share all the information in the world if I could but unfortunately, I have to cut straight to the point on this board. No beef or complaint - just truth of the situation.

And for the love of everything there was no laughter directed at anyone in this thread... this is why posting sucks. Emotions are not conveyed correctly. I'm posting as ME here, not DIESELSITE.


If chiming in on the OPs situation is what matters here, I'm happy to do that as well without the bias of being the daughter of DIESELSITE: Just as JenC.

For cost or budget options, I'm always telling guys to check out Joeys line - it's the cheapest HIGH VOLUME / HIGHER DISPLACEMENT pump on the market.
I don't know farts about Coreys stg 1 pump yet but I'd recommend it next probably because he's pretty quality typically and it's nice and affordable.
If you have the budget to go higher - look at our Adrenaline. I won't recommend Dyno Proven anymore purely because of customer service issues (sorry). Corey has a stage 2 available as well that I bet compares to our Adrenaline.
Stealth is out of business.
Full Force offers the BTS twins now!
Swamps still has the Gen 3.


https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/1...nsmission.html
lmfao 2 posts down from this one and:
"If the price of the BTS isn't cost prohibitive I would call Brian and see where their nearest authorized installer is and go that route. Route number 2, (the route I chose) is go to your nearest Ford dealership and buy the HD4R100"
hahahhahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa aaaa

 

Believe it or not, it's just like Sous say's, we do here all the time.

We do it because they aren't usually aware of WHY a John Wood built trans or BTS builts trans costs more.

People want info so they can compare and weigh their situation against the cost (daily driver, tow beast, weekend track star, a little of all three, how long they plan on keeping the rig, etc) and make a decision that best fits their needs.

I'm not sure I understand this statement, but I'm gonna let it go because of the precarious position I reference later in this post.

Ya know Jen...that sponsor thing....I can put you in touch with the right person like I did years ago with Tousely Ford and Ed at FICMRepair and "we" can talk!

You're doing well walking that fine line, but it is a precarious position we are in. A position easily made less precarious!

I don't think I realized that.

Well, for my 7.3's I have all Terminator stuff, but when it comes time to replace the HPOP in my 6.0L PSD, I will be giving Bob more of my money.

Stewart

 

Ya I just had to edit my last post... I did not think that was still a thing.



I know I know the sponsor thing is fixable...