I just said I can't prove it, read the post.

It has nothing to do with coincidence or luck, sheesh, didn't you people have to take the theory of evolution in school?

We're talking about a time scale of evolution here that can't be related to anything in our lives or human history.

Take human history as an analogy though. How many inventions were accidental? How much has the human race, or more particulary, the human brain, evolved in as short a time period as 100 years, or even 10,000 years, let alone 600 MILLION.

Like I said, believe what you will, I certainly won't change your mind. If you want to believe that everything that's happened in the history of the universe was done by a guy playing around with a big science kit (and making a WHOLE LOTTA MISTAKES along the way, for fun I guess), go ahead, that's your perogative.

I just find it unfathomable that that seems like a more "reasonable" explanation to you. Say you believe it because your religion and faith require you to, fine, but don't say it's more reasonable.

Waxy

 

Waxy, Waxy, Waxy, first you try to intimidate/humiliate me by saying I obviously don't know anything about the big bang theory, then when I reply and you don't have an answer you want to stop talking about it.

I don't blame you. There is no arguement against the fact that you can't create something out of nothing. Sort of like saying you are going to build a house so you walk over to the empty lot and low and behold all the materials are there. Did they just materialize out of thin air? I don't think so. Someone made them. Same as our universe. You can't get something out of nothing. (unless you are God).

 

Bubba,

I can't prove a negative, nor can you, we could go around around on this for days, we've done it before. I thought I'd take the high road and cut it off before it got to that point. If you feel you've scored a victory, good for you.

Whatever lets you sleep at night my friend.

Waxy

 

So, I mispelled can/can't

I am not a bible thumper or a very obedient christian. All I am saying is there is doubt in both beliefs.

If events that created us were no accident, then who controlled them? Who progamed it? Who disigned it? If no one did, it must have been an accident.

If it is just the law of nature, its not a common law. I haven't seen any little green men lately.

I do respect your opinion. It holds a lot of water. Just not enough.

 

Waxy, Nuff said. I'd like to meet you over a beer sometime.

 

Okay everyone,
Please pay particular attention to the words you type after the use of the word : You

 

Where did these organisms come from? Also I don't believe that Cavemen were any smarter or more stupid than we are today. They didn't have the resources available. They may have been available but they didn't know it. This planet is very old, but the very idea that every "evolved" from some single celled organisms in my opion is absoulte bananas.

 

I just know that evolution (or certain theories thereof) have been proven wrong. I'm not a genious on evolution vs. creation, but tons of theories from scientists have been proven wrong. Creation my friend, has never been proven wrong. So, if you're the type of person that bases your beliefs on facts and science, creation would be the way to go I'd think.

I gotta admit, me saying the Earth is only 8 to 10 thousand years old would seem unbelievable. The reason why is because we were brought up in school to believe differently. If you believe the Bible and look at it like a timeline, the Earth is only about 8 to 10 thousand years old. I think it's actually closer to 8.

Waxy:

You have good points supporting your side. I would never say any person is dumb (for lack of a better word) for believing in evolution. Most people probably do anyways.

So what I have to say to you is:

It is easy for me to believe that God created mankind because of my faith in it. It's that simple. If you need a concrete fact towards something like this every time, you'll be running in circles on the subject as long as you live.

Also, if you would like me to research my opinion that theories of evolution have been proven wrong many times, just tell me. Also, the oldest rock is actually no where near a billion years old. Scientists used Carbon Dating to configure the age of rocks, fossils, etc. Carbon Dating is also a theory that has been proven wrong/inacurrate. It'll take me a little while to tell you the details, but I'll get them on here eventually. I'm on a break at work right now, so I'm pretty limited.

 

The reason I am not an atheist, but an agnostic instead, is the fundamental question you pose Bubba.

"How did everything get to be?"

I don't know. Nobody knows. Nobody will ever know how matter came to be. Before there was matter, what was there? If at one time there was nothing, how could there have been God?

The point is I don't know.

And within that margin of doubt, of uncertainty, there is the Question. Outside of the known universe, is there 'God'?



Whistler

 

True4.2 and others--

I have a question about your proof that carbon dating is flawed, the earth is not one billion years old, evolution didn't occur, etc, etc.

Are the millions of scientists and scholars who spend their lives working in these fields merely clueless or are they part of a vast conspiracy?

Whistler

 

A theory is just that, a theory. Some facts support it, some don''t.
Waxy has many, many facts that support it. The story of God and Jesus and all the other dieties are just that, Stories, some would say. However, I am very logical. I believe much of evolution. But I cannot deny the odds, the fact that all societies apart believe in a superior being. There is a God in some form. There has to be, or my life means nothing. That is what we are taught to believe...

 

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I just know that evolution (or certain theories thereof) have been proven wrong. I'm not a genious on evolution vs. creation, but tons of theories from scientists have been proven wrong. Creation my friend, has never been proven wrong. So, if you're the type of person that bases your beliefs on facts and science, creation would be the way to go I'd think.

You can't prove a negative true4.2, just like you can't prove I'm wrong when I say God doesn't exist. So the answer is no, creation is not the way to go if you believe in facts and science.

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I gotta admit, me saying the Earth is only 8 to 10 thousand years old would seem unbelievable. The reason why is because we were brought up in school to believe differently. If you believe the Bible and look at it like a timeline, the Earth is only about 8 to 10 thousand years old. I think it's actually closer to 8.

Then what of the organisms in the Burgess Shale? What of the dinosaurs? What about the fact that the Middle East, the cradle of Christianity, now a desert, was once a large tropical sea? Why no mention in the Bible?

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Also, if you would like me to research my opinion that theories of evolution have been proven wrong many times, just tell me. Also, the oldest rock is actually no where near a billion years old. Scientists used Carbon Dating to configure the age of rocks, fossils, etc. Carbon Dating is also a theory that has been proven wrong/inacurrate.

The age dating of rocks is not done using carbon dating. Carbon dating is only an effective tool for dating items that contain organic carbon, and is only effective for a period of ~10,000 years with any degree of accuracy.

The technique used to date rocks is based on isotopes and radioactive decay, these methods are provable and repeatable. They are facts.

If you want to research the age of the oldest rocks on earth, and how they are dated, go to the American Association of Petroleum Geologists website, www.AAPG.org

As for evolution, you can do all the research you want, the basic theory of evolution has never been proven wrong, and has a mountain of evidence that supports it.

The only evidence for the creation theory is a story in the Bible.

Waxy

 

Further to whistler's reply, and I'm always amazed at how well he captures my thoughts -

What existed before God? After all, you can't create something out of nothing right? (Sorry Bubba)

If the universe requires a beginning, so does God, right?
Did God create God? How? Chicken and the egg it would seem.

Waxy

 

Okay, okay - enough already, I ADMIT IT!

I got all of the stuff the universe is made out of at a yardsale.

I just didn't think anybody would mind so much if I brought it home...

 

If you believe the bible, it's simple. Genesis 1:1 says "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth."

God was there before the beginning. I find that easier to believe than believing "in the beginning there were a bunch of whirling gases that came from nowhere".