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Gotta question
I hope Y'all don't mind me making a new post for another question about my 85 f150 because the previous post I made kinda went dead haha. So here's the question. There's an older gentlemen that goes to my church and he's got a 84 f150 that he's giving me as a donor for both my bullnose pickups and anyways I'm gonna pull the engine out of the donor getting back to running and swap it into my 85. The engine is a 302 with an AOD tranny and as those of Y'all who read my other post know that the current engine in my 85 is a 351w with the C6. So after that long story here's my question: will a 302 bolt up to a C6 that's on a 351? Its my understanding that it will but I just want confirmation that it will. And for anyone wondering why I'm swapping a 302 in place of the 351, the 302 is free and I need to get my rig back on the road so I can work on my other projects. And also a 302 and 351 share the same motor mounts correct?
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The 302 and 351W take the same perches, as show here: Engine Perches - ???Gary's Garagemahal.
But there should be two questions re the tranny. First, will the tranny bolt to to the engine, and the answer is yes. However, the other question needs to be about the flex plate/flywheel - will it work. And I can't answer that yet as there seems to be a piece of info missing on my web site here: Flywheels - ???Gary's Garagemahal. I'll go look.
But there should be two questions re the tranny. First, will the tranny bolt to to the engine, and the answer is yes. However, the other question needs to be about the flex plate/flywheel - will it work. And I can't answer that yet as there seems to be a piece of info missing on my web site here: Flywheels - ???Gary's Garagemahal. I'll go look.
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Ok, I fixed the web page. And, it says:
- 1982 & on 302 with an AOD (AOT) takes an E2AZ 6375-A
- 1981 & on 302 w/a C6 takes an E1TZ 6375-C
- 1982 - 86 351W w/a C6 takes a D1ZZ 6375-A
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The 302 and 351W take the same perches, as show here: Engine Perches - ???Gary's Garagemahal.
But there should be two questions re the tranny. First, will the tranny bolt to to the engine, and the answer is yes. However, the other question needs to be about the flex plate/flywheel - will it work. And I can't answer that yet as there seems to be a piece of info missing on my web site here: Flywheels - ???Gary's Garagemahal. I'll go look.
But there should be two questions re the tranny. First, will the tranny bolt to to the engine, and the answer is yes. However, the other question needs to be about the flex plate/flywheel - will it work. And I can't answer that yet as there seems to be a piece of info missing on my web site here: Flywheels - ???Gary's Garagemahal. I'll go look.
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Dave has a good point. But, to answer the question, it depends on what you want. The AOD will get much better MPG than the C6 as it doesn't have the slippage of the torque converter and it has overdrive. But, it isn't as stout as the AOD. So, if you are going to tow or haul heavy then maybe the C6.
But you should think about your axle ratio. You probably have 3.50 gears as that's what seems to have come in 80% or more of the 351W's. The AOD has a .67:1 OD, so when it is engaged you effectively have 2.35 gears. Those are TALL gears, so you won't want to go into OD until you get to 45 or 50 MPH. But, the MPG should be much better than what you've been getting.
But you should think about your axle ratio. You probably have 3.50 gears as that's what seems to have come in 80% or more of the 351W's. The AOD has a .67:1 OD, so when it is engaged you effectively have 2.35 gears. Those are TALL gears, so you won't want to go into OD until you get to 45 or 50 MPH. But, the MPG should be much better than what you've been getting.
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I was getting ready for him to say the donor is a 2wd, and he needs his 4wd working. I was then going to say "well, you can't use a 2wd tranny in a 4wd truck".
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no title. And both the donor and recipient are both 2wd. My other bullnose is a 4x4 but it's getting the front clip off of the donor
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This is just me, but before doing all that wrenching I think I would try to get the title if it was truely his truck. He can go help you get it, or you can go to the DMV and they will send a registered letter to the last known owner. A little bit of time and paper work would be a lot easier than all that engine and trans swapping.
Now if he was not the last owner with the title, you had better not stir up the DMV. That can bring up other cans of worms. I know he goes to your church, but sometimes vehicles without titles have a sorted past.
Now if he was not the last owner with the title, you had better not stir up the DMV. That can bring up other cans of worms. I know he goes to your church, but sometimes vehicles without titles have a sorted past.
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Dave has a good point. But, to answer the question, it depends on what you want. The AOD will get much better MPG than the C6 as it doesn't have the slippage of the torque converter and it has overdrive. But, it isn't as stout as the AOD. So, if you are going to tow or haul heavy then maybe the C6.
But you should think about your axle ratio. You probably have 3.50 gears as that's what seems to have come in 80% or more of the 351W's. The AOD has a .67:1 OD, so when it is engaged you effectively have 2.35 gears. Those are TALL gears, so you won't want to go into OD until you get to 45 or 50 MPH. But, the MPG should be much better than what you've been getting.
But you should think about your axle ratio. You probably have 3.50 gears as that's what seems to have come in 80% or more of the 351W's. The AOD has a .67:1 OD, so when it is engaged you effectively have 2.35 gears. Those are TALL gears, so you won't want to go into OD until you get to 45 or 50 MPH. But, the MPG should be much better than what you've been getting.
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This is just me, but before doing all that wrenching I think I would try to get the title if it was truely his truck. He can go help you get it, or you can go to the DMV and they will send a registered letter to the last known owner. A little bit of time and paper work would be a lot easier than all that engine and trans swapping.
Now if he was not the last owner with the title, you had better not stir up the DMV. That can bring up other cans of worms. I know he goes to your church, but sometimes vehicles without titles have a sorted past.
Now if he was not the last owner with the title, you had better not stir up the DMV. That can bring up other cans of worms. I know he goes to your church, but sometimes vehicles without titles have a sorted past.
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I think they have a procedure for getting the title, I did it one time long ago in Va. They sent a certified letter to the last original owner. They have 30 days to respond, and pay anything needed to reclaim the truck. So there is the possibility you may lose it if they want it back. If they don't respond then the paperwork is done and a new title is issued to you.
In my case the guy responded but after the 30 days was up. He came by and wanted the car(57 chevy 2dr ht) but lucky for me the guy who had it kept his word and told him he had already sold it to me. The car had been titled last in the late 60's. Who knows how many times it had changed hands through the years with no title.
In my case the guy responded but after the 30 days was up. He came by and wanted the car(57 chevy 2dr ht) but lucky for me the guy who had it kept his word and told him he had already sold it to me. The car had been titled last in the late 60's. Who knows how many times it had changed hands through the years with no title.
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I think they have a procedure for getting the title, I did it one time long ago in Va. They sent a certified letter to the last original owner. They have 30 days to respond, and pay anything needed to reclaim the truck. So there is the possibility you may lose it if they want it back. If they don't respond then the paperwork is done and a new title is issued to you.
In my case the guy responded but after the 30 days was up. He came by and wanted the car(57 chevy 2dr ht) but lucky for me the guy who had it kept his word and told him he had already sold it to me. The car had been titled last in the late 60's. Who knows how many times it had changed hands through the years with no title.
In my case the guy responded but after the 30 days was up. He came by and wanted the car(57 chevy 2dr ht) but lucky for me the guy who had it kept his word and told him he had already sold it to me. The car had been titled last in the late 60's. Who knows how many times it had changed hands through the years with no title.