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Old Jul 5, 2017 | 08:55 AM
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Standerd Vs Reverse timing chain covers

Hey guys. So I'm in the process of installing a March serpentine kit on the 302, and it requires a reverse flow water pump. Thats no big deal, but I'm in need of a solid answer as to if there is a dedicated timing cover for the reverse flow? Typing this out I'm realizing that there probably is, but some confirmation would be awesome! Thanks in advance
 
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Old Jul 5, 2017 | 09:11 AM
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A 5.0L OEM Serpentine FEAD requires both reverse rotation pump and cover unless it is an aftermarket kit and then of course you go by their instructions.

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Old Jul 5, 2017 | 09:17 AM
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I seem to be struggling to find a reverse timing cover that accepts a mechanical pump now too. This is a pain
 
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Old Jul 5, 2017 | 09:49 AM
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I hate mechanical fuel pumps.

They Suck!

Go Here- https://performanceparts.ford.com/part/M-6059-D351

Call the TECH LINE and make sure it is copacetic.

 
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Old Jul 5, 2017 | 09:52 AM
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I've had nothing but bad experiences with electric on my scout, so I'm just hesitant
 
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Besides those spots for the sensors and absence of a fuel pump mounting spot, what is the difference between the reverse flow cover and the regular flow cover? From the pictures I am not seeing any. I would think a small redesign of the impeller and the reverse pump would fit right where the regular pump goes?

I believe I would call March. I personally would not use a serpentine setup if I had a choice. I would rather have the v-belt setup.
 
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Old Jul 5, 2017 | 05:39 PM
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Besides those spots for the sensors and absence of a fuel pump mounting spot, what is the difference between the reverse flow cover and the regular flow cover? From the pictures I am not seeing any. I would think a small redesign of the impeller and the reverse pump would fit right where the regular pump goes?

I believe I would call March. I personally would not use a serpentine setup if I had a choice. I would rather have the v-belt setup.
HUGE functional difference between standard and reverse rotation covers, although it is a little subtle and might not be obvious in a picture (and often a catalog will only have pictures of one and use it for both). With the outside of the serp belt (instead of the inside of a V-belt) driving the water pump pulley, the water pump turns the opposite direction. So the impeller needs to have the vanes curved in the opposite direction, and the coolant passages that curve away from the impeller discharge need to be curved the opposite way.
 
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On the ILL shown above, differentiate RTCF-302C and RTCF-351RF water passages.
 
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On the ILL shown above, differentiate RTCF-302C and RTCF-351RF water passages.
Then the one you show is not a rev. pump cover looks more like the 302c cover.
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Originally Posted by FuzzFace2

Then the one you show is not a rev. pump cover looks more like the 302c cover.

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Which ILL Dave?

Where is Angier...
 
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Angier, NC. is about half hour south of Raleigh, NC. but I am on the Angier Benson line.
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That cover is a FORD PERFORMANCE PARTS (or whatever they are calling themselves this month) cover. It is supposed to take either pump.

Click Here- https://performanceparts.ford.com/part/M-6059-D351

I lived over in Rockingham County (Eden-Stoneville) for a number of years.

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Originally Posted by Nothing Special
HUGE functional difference between standard and reverse rotation covers, although it is a little subtle and might not be obvious in a picture (and often a catalog will only have pictures of one and use it for both). With the outside of the serp belt (instead of the inside of a V-belt) driving the water pump pulley, the water pump turns the opposite direction. So the impeller needs to have the vanes curved in the opposite direction, and the coolant passages that curve away from the impeller discharge need to be curved the opposite way.
Re-read what you just said. I don't know anything about it but everything I believe you said is different is with the pump, not the cover.
 
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HUGE functional difference between standard and reverse rotation covers, although it is a little subtle and might not be obvious in a picture (and often a catalog will only have pictures of one and use it for both).

With the outside of the serp belt (instead of the inside of a V-belt) driving the water pump pulley, the water pump turns the opposite direction. So the impeller needs to have the vanes curved in the opposite direction, and the coolant passages that curve away from the impeller discharge need to be curved the opposite way.
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Re-read what you just said. I don't know anything about it but everything I believe you said is different is with the pump, not the cover.
Where do you disagree with his description?
 
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Where do you disagree with his description?
I don't disagree at all. I will repeat I do not know much about it, but he gave a description of what was different, and everything he described was something to do with the pump, not the timing cover. So why wouldn't a reverse rotation waterpump fit a regular rotation cover? It may indeed not fit, but I haven't seen or heard about the smoking gun yet.
 
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