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What are you trusting to tell how much you used? Pumps are regulated and must be certified/inspected every so often. The LOM doesn't have any of the above.
Pumps are accurate. The variable is how full you filled the tank. Figure the average MPG over 5 or 6 tankfills will minimize that variable.
Pumps are accurate. The variable is how full you filled the tank. Figure the average MPG over 5 or 6 tankfills will minimize that variable.
I assume you're talking about filling until the pump "clicks". If that's the case, I (respectfully) challenge anyone to scientifically prove differences between pumps has any meaninful difference in MPG calculations. IMO, this is a red herring as bad as those that claim getting gas in the morning when the fuel is cold is better.
My 17-mile commute ranges from 19mpg when I'm hauling in the left lane at 70mph to 22+mpg when I hold it at 60mph in the right lane and let semi's pass me. If it's raining and I hold at 60mph, my mileage drops to around 20mpg. This is measured from my driveway to my parking lot at work, including traffic lights. Furthermore, my numbers are a ten-run average (yes, I'm that **** with my numbers; I'm an engineer...and, well my commute is boring).
My point is... A few tenths + or - based upon when the pump clicks will not impact any real world estimates. There is too much variability in our normal commute.
There is a large difference in the way my 2016 fills versus the way my 2012 filled. The 12 would always accept more fuel after it clicked off. I've worked up to a gallon in it after it clicked off. The 2016 is full when the pump clicks off. Full. With the 12 it was fairly easy to run it up to the next even dollar. I quit when the pump clicks off filling the 16. Given that, with my truck, I don't think the pump makes a difference.
Not a good idea to keep filling it after it clicks off. If fuel backs up into the carbon canister, the tank won't be able to vent anymore. Then you'll get other fueling problems, like an erratic idle, strong fuel odor, poor fuel mileage, etc along with a check engine light.
I have a 16 screw 2.7 with 3.55. I live in the pittsburgh pa area and am not far from the Ohio line. I notice when driving in pa during my normal day to day driving I get anywhere from 18-20 mpg mixed highway and city doing 65-70 on the highway. What I did notice though is when I drive in Ohio I get way better mileage anywhere from 21-25. The main thing I see is in western pa we have a bunch of rolling hills so even on the highway you are constantly going up and down where as in Ohio it's more flat so I really think things like the geography of your area along with speed and other factors like the load you are carrying. I'm really happy with my choice of the 2.7 I think it's a good combination of power and fuel economy. I think in my general area the difference in geography from one place to the next really affects my mpg.
I too live is PA and this is very true. It comes down to having something consistent to compare it to. On the same route to work, I had a 2008 SD diesel that got around 13. With my 2012 Max tow Screw 4X4 F150 3.5 Ecoboost and 3.73 gears, I got 16. Now the 2015 Screw 4X4 3.5 EB with 3.55 gears and its aluminum body, I average 19.6 on that route. All this confirms to me Ford is going in the right direction and I like this truck the best of the three.
We just took a couple of days out in Ohio's Amish Country for a little get away (tough to get time off these days). I decided to take the truck and see how it does. 2016 Lariat extended cab 2.7 eco with 3.55's. We only put 511 miles on the truck total for the trip (I said it was a little get away) and, after figuring everything out, we averaged 21 MPG. That's great in my book. Some of you are doing even better. I'm convinced that the brand of gas has something to do with this. Someone I know with a 3.5 eco told me that the gas I normally use is no good for mileage. He said he switched to another brand and his MPG's took a 2 to 3 MPG jump up. While I was quite happy with 21 (old truck only ever reached 18 once during the years I owned it), I do plan to switch brands as he suggested and see what happens.
2015 2.7, 3.73 e-locker, 4x4, S crew, XLT 302a, 5.5 bed w/hard tonneau. currently at 62K.
with an average of 500 lbs in the bed, I averaged 20.6 mpg over 45K miles. I also keep all fuel consumption on an Excel spread sheet.
Typically my speed is 55-65 depending on the roads. Mostly 2 lane country roads in SD, NE & IA.
On a couple trips to MI & WI I have averaged 25+mpg on a 2500 mile trip. These trips were on mostly 55 mph roads. The speed really makes a difference in the mpg.
We just took a couple of days out in Ohio's Amish Country for a little get away (tough to get time off these days). I decided to take the truck and see how it does. 2016 Lariat extended cab 2.7 eco with 3.55's. We only put 511 miles on the truck total for the trip (I said it was a little get away) and, after figuring everything out, we averaged 21 MPG. That's great in my book. Some of you are doing even better. I'm convinced that the brand of gas has something to do with this. Someone I know with a 3.5 eco told me that the gas I normally use is no good for mileage. He said he switched to another brand and his MPG's took a 2 to 3 MPG jump up. While I was quite happy with 21 (old truck only ever reached 18 once during the years I owned it), I do plan to switch brands as he suggested and see what happens.
You won't see a MPG change related to the brand of gas you use. MPGs are directly related to the amount of energy in a gallon of gas and all our gas comes from the same place. Once oil is refined into gas it's added to a national pipeline and mixed with gas from every other refinery. When it's removed locally for distribution, the tanker company adds the proprietary additives specific to the fueling station. The brand of gas you buy only pays for their specific fueling cleaning additives.
I think most folks generally overestimate their MPG differences either by ignoring other changes in their driving or using a very small sample size. But eliminating all of that, I can only think of two reasons why your friend saw a big difference. One would be their engine was very dirty and they were using non-Top Tier fuel. They switched to Top Tier fuel and the cleaning additives removed enough gunk over a number of tanks to make it run more efficient. Another option is they're running a performance tune that needed a higher octane to improve performance.
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You won't see a MPG change related to the brand of gas you use. MPGs are directly related to the amount of energy in a gallon of gas and all our gas comes from the same place. Once oil is refined into gas it's added to a national pipeline and mixes with gas from every other refinery. When it's removed locally for distribution, the tanker company add's the proprietary additives specific to the fueling station. The brand of gas you buy only pays for their specific fueling cleaning additives.
I think most folks generally overestimate their MPGs differences either by ignoring other changes in their driving or using a very small sample size. But eliminating all of that, I can only think of two reasons why your friend saw a big difference. One would be their engine was very dirty and they were using non-Top Tier fuel. They switched to Top Tier fuel and the cleaning additives removed enough gunk over a number of tanks to make it run more efficient. Another option is they're running a performance tune that needed a higher octane to improve performance.
All very good points. I don't believe he is running a tune of any kind. He has installed catch cans but that wouldn't have anything to do with this. Coming from a Tacoma to a 3.5 eco, I doubt a performance tune is even on his mind. He hasn't had the truck very long so I doubt the engine was very dirty. Just for giggles, I'm going to try his theory out and see what happens. I'll run through several tanks of another brand and report back. I work from home so it could be a while. On our trip, I used a brand of gas that isn't found around home and my mileage improved, however, that could have been with all the highway driving. It wasn't a big difference anyway. Regardless, I'm very happy with what I am getting.
Another Pittsburgher here : my average around town is 14mpg . Highway is around 18 . I believe it would be better if we didn`t have the summer blend gas to combat air pollution . when i go east to the area around Altoona milage goes up by 2 MPG. 2013 3.5 Ecoboost Fx4 CC 3.55 with 145" wheel base
All very good points. I don't believe he is running a tune of any kind. He has installed catch cans but that wouldn't have anything to do with this. Coming from a Tacoma to a 3.5 eco, I doubt a performance tune is even on his mind. He hasn't had the truck very long so I doubt the engine was very dirty. Just for giggles, I'm going to try his theory out and see what happens. I'll run through several tanks of another brand and report back. I work from home so it could be a while. On our trip, I used a brand of gas that isn't found around home and my mileage improved, however, that could have been with all the highway driving. It wasn't a big difference anyway. Regardless, I'm very happy with what I am getting.
Please test away and report back...stranger things have happened and more data is always a good thing. I tracked the MPGs on my V10 for a solid year once and noticed a solid bump in mileage when I got gas at Chevron or Shell stations. I went back and looked at the dates and realized I only bough gas at those stations when I was traveling. Pretty easy to see a MPG bump when it's all highway.
06pghescape brings up some other good points. Gas with Ethanol will decrease your mileage, as will different seasonal blends. Plus the weather...any of these could be factors in your friend's MPG performance.
You won't see a MPG change related to the brand of gas you use. MPGs are directly related to the amount of energy in a gallon of gas and all our gas comes from the same place.
I agree. I've used numerous brands in our truck, Shell, Sunoco, BP, Mobil, SuperAmerica and Costco gas. I try to stay with the Tier One brands primarily and I've not seen any difference in mpgs based on brand. I've been running an 87 performance tune the last 2 months and believing my mpg's might drop a little, they have done the opposite. City we're getting 16 and highway has stayed in the 24 range. Off to a weekend of racing end of the month, curious what the mpg's will be towing.