GCWR is 20,000 to 21,900 on a S/B, 4*4 Crew with 3.55. conventional tow is up to 12,000 and Fifth wheel or goose is 15,000 but it all depends on weigh on front axle, rear axle, trailer as you cant(or not supposed to be) over weight on any of these ratings including total which is GCWR. the limit you will experience is the rear axle and teh 10,000 GVW of the truck itself, more pin weight will put you over on one of these or both.

Best way to know is to weight all specs, as nobody can tell you definatively. Depends on pin weight and how and where the weight is.

I would just stick to a 12,000 lb limit conventional, or 15,000 fifth, and balance the rest out by weighing.

 

Bringing this back to life... So we are looking (hoping it'll work) at getting something like a Keystone Fuzion or Carbon or a Dutchmen Voltage. We want one with the separate sealed garage and a minimum room of 12'4" in garage (RZR 4 1000).

Here are a few that we are thinking about....

http://www.dutchmen.com/voltage/floorplans-and-pictures/floorplans-detail/?modelId=27402

http://www.dutchmen.com/voltage/floorplans-and-pictures/floorplans-detail/?modelId=6687#

http://www.keystonerv.com/carbon/models/347/model-mobile

 

Those pin weights are going to kill you. They are dry weights and will go up when you gear up the RV. Any of those pins would push a SRW 350 over it's GVWR. I'd look for a hauler with a significantly lower pin. I specifically shopped the XLR Thunderbolt line due to many of their floorplans having a lighter pin due to more forward axle placement. So, no matter if mine has it's garage loaded or full (18-20K total weight), I'm at 2600-2800# on the pin. They dropped my plan but there are still plenty of rigs out there with lower pin weights. Look at XLR and Grand Design Momentum and see what you find. They are both excellent brands with top notch after the sale support. That's what's really important in buying a new RV. They all fall apart some when new and you want to be taken care of when it happens. If you decide to shop XLR and are willing to travel, I have a great dealer that does 36% or so off MSRP on all in stock AND ordered units. Drop me a PM if you need any info...

 

Slavoise, you really have a couple of options, if you are set on towing a 5th wheel trailer. Either "beef up" your 250 with overloads, air bag springs, rear sway bar, etc...and forget about the legalities of the weight (RV's pretty much seem to not get checked by the enforcement agencies)...or, take the hit and trade for a 350 SRW (or perhaps even a 350 DRW / 450).

Not to slam you at all, but this is why future planning and research is very important when buying one of these vehicles. It might seem outwardly that a big, huge 250 diesel can tow anything...but the actual numbers can be surprisingly low when you put the vehicle into real use.

 

Salvoise, the dilemma you are facing is the main reason I decided on the 350 DRW. I have a good idea what I want for a 5th wheel and the pin weight will be right on the edge of a 250 unloaded. Once you load the 5th wheel and the truck with gear, even thought the truck 250 will pull it with little effort the fact remains that in the event of an accident or unforeseen road hazard the truck will have a limited margin of safety. The price difference from a 250 to 350 DRW with all the goodies I wanted was not that much when you factor in the peace of mind and built safety margin.

I know many others have commented otherwise about a 250 hauling a 5th wheel but like every house, garage, barn or any other thing I build for myself, I always over built it for my peace of mind. Thus the 350 DRW to haul a 17K lbs 5th wheel or my 16K lbs gooseneck with my tractor on it.

 

Why not go for a Genesis Supreme bumper pull. You can get them with massive room in the rear for even a sand rail or buggy, an XP4 would fit no problem.

Their 30 footer is 8,800lbs dry and 12.5k GVWR, 27 footer would still fit an XP4 and its GVWR is 9,900.

 

I appreciate all the help! I bought the truck really to pull my wakeboard boat and to give the kids some more back leg room.

That being said... The wife wants the 5th wheel so planning should have been done. Our goal is to really use the 5th wheel at the lake all Summer and maybe drive it 2-3 times a year (maybe 700 miles round trip each time).

I do plan to put bags on the truck no matter, I know this will help tow (but won't help the "legal" side if I go over weight.

Here is my confusion... I know based on everything that the Max legal 5th wheel would be right around 15000 loaded. I'm just confused how to determine the other parts. Here is an example of a higher one I found:

UVW (Unloaded Vehicle Weight)* 9,750
Dry Hitch Weight* 1,900
Dry Axle Weight* 7,850
NCC (Net Carrying Capacity) 3,450
GVWR 13,200
Interior Height 92"
Exterior Height 12' 7"
Exterior Width 96"
Exterior Length 39' 11"

https://www.kz-rv.com/products/sport...r-352TH12.html


I feel that the truck can pull this easily but can it legally? That is where my confusion is. Since I don't plan to really use a 5th wheel like most people do (travel the country and such) I'm okay with planning routes that do not take me near scales and such if I have to.

I was also told by someone the other day that if you have a triple axel on the trailer (5th wheel) that you have to have a 3500, is this true?

I was also looking at something like this: XLR Boost Toy Haulers by Forest River RV

Does moving weight around (say more weight in the garage) help reduce the hitch weight?

Thanks!

 

My wife is 100% opposed to having the RZR ever in the true living areas, this is why a garage is a must... FML lol

 

That pin weight, dry, is almost your entire payload. Wet, it would most likely be over, not to mention you couldn't have anything in the truck at all.

Legal, no. Could it pull it, yes.

 

We have a Genesis and honestly there is never any smell or anything from hauling around our SXS.

 

Yea, it's a problem on paper. In reality it's way better not having a separate garage. You get so much more livable space, with zero down side.

 

I agree on the space but the issue is that I am a complete clean freak... Enough that I have a maid that comes to my house 2 times a week... There is no way that I could put a dusty RZR into a living space.

 

Plus you don't loose living space when you have a separate garage. You just have separate living space which I really like.

 

Ok, well we can put you in one of two camps and then help you narrow down from there:

Are you comfortable with the liability of towing illegal?

 

True, I guess there are some that have couches and TVs etc. in the garage. Some even have an AC. But most of them are just garages, which is fine, but most of the people I know never end up using that space once they get there and unload.

I guess its kind of cool you have a separate walled off room if you need it for something.

Either way, just something to ponder when you're picking one out.