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Old May 27, 2017 | 09:19 PM
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Ok. But the calibration info for 2-24P-R11 is not for his truck - right? I ask because I can't find it in the catalog.
Right.

He has not come back with his Calibration.
 
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Old May 27, 2017 | 09:30 PM
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Right.

He has not come back with his Calibration.
If we had the calibration code I could post the parts list, like below, and at least we could figure out what Ford called the parts.

 
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Old May 27, 2017 | 10:58 PM
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Originally Posted by vjsimone
I don't know on an 82'. Passenger Valve cover maybe. Number looks like; 1-64T-R12
Ok found it - it's 1-64S-R10
8/82 production so most likely the last calibration of the '82's.
 
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Old May 27, 2017 | 11:02 PM
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If we had the calibration code I could post the parts list, like below, and at least we could figure out what Ford called the parts.
If his Cal code is no longer available you could try a Cal code similar to a California 5.8 with "CM" & VOTM.

These are the only 2 California codes for the 5.8L in my 83 book.
1-64T-R15B
1-64T-R16B


I have another 7200 manual, large file, could not upload, email maybe if you want a copy.
 
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Old May 28, 2017 | 05:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Gary Lewis

As for the shop manuals, ones packed away aren't much help. How 'bout pulling them out and helping us answer the question. I'll update that page and we won't have to search next time.
OK, I finally dug the 1984 HC Shop Manual out and it contains a Glossary. The trouble is that the manual is too thick to make individual page copies.

There is no concise definition of C in the glossary.
 
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Old May 28, 2017 | 07:04 AM
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Did you see anything that might define the "CM" ?

From the parts list attached, and Carburetor Photos, I believe the "C" is the "Choke Diaphragm". It seems to connect to the "V".

My Glossary's do not define either one as well.
 

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Old May 28, 2017 | 07:10 AM
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Ok, here's the parts list for 1-64S-R10. And I'll see if I can find the parts list for that carb.

 
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Old May 28, 2017 | 07:27 AM
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And, here are all of the parts for that carb in column D:











 
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Old May 28, 2017 | 08:57 AM
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Originally Posted by vjsimone

Did you see anything that might define the "CM" ?

From the parts list attached, and Carburetor Photos, I believe the "C" is the "Choke Diaphragm". It seems to connect to the "V" and also Tee off the the vacuum manifold.

My Glossary's do not define either one as well.
No, no direct definition. I believe C is the choke motor as well.



...or would CM define as choke motor?

You know I will not rest properly until I find the answer...
 
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My first look, the two things that stuck out for me was;

1. (from gary’s first page post #52)
Vacuum Motor assy. (carburetor air cleaner) D4ZZ 9E607-B *CX-120
Vacuum Hose Routing map; A/CL DV - Motor Assembly - Carburetor Air Cleaner Vacuum

2. (page 2 of carb parts breakdown)
The Spring for the term; “Choke Control Modulator”
But no “Choke Control Modulator” part, just the reference to “Diaphragm Assy. (Choke Pulldown)"

Well, only because the vacuum diagram show the connection of “C” & “V”, and the pdf carb parts list shows the Choke tubing with the “Tee”, and the Carb Adjustments book shows the Choke Diaphragm connected to the top port on the Carb with 'Tee" in-line, do I think for now the “C” is connected to the Choke Diaphragm, for now…..

I am curious about this Air Cleaner vacuum connection, I have struggled with those over the years every time I pulled them off. I think my grand wagoneers had about 4 vacuum connections to the air cleaner.

Thanks Gary for posting the CAL list. The verdicts are still out Counselor ….
 

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and the Carb Adjustments book shows the Choke Diaphragm connected to the top port on the Carb with 'Tee" in-line, do I think for now the “C” is connected to the Choke Diaphragm, for now…..
I am not getting that from that picture above. He has a allen wrench in the port for the choke pull-off, so I don't see a vacuum line to it. And a port on top of the carb like that is not going to have manifold vacuum, which is required to make the choke pull-off work.
 
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Originally Posted by vjsimone
My first look, the two things that stuck out for me was;

1. (from gary’s first page post #52)
Vacuum Motor assy. (carburetor air cleaner) D4ZZ 9E607-B *CX-120
I don’t see a connection on the Vacuum Hose Routing map.

2. (page 2 of carb parts breakdown)
The Spring for the term; “Choke Control Modulator”
But no “Choke Control Modulator” part, just the reference to “Diaphragm Assy. (Choke Pulldown)"

Well, only because the vacuum diagram show the connection of “C” & “V”, and the pdf carb parts list shows the Choke tubing with the “Tee”, and the Carb Adjustments book shows the Choke Diaphragm connected to the top port on the Carb with 'Tee" in-line, do I think for now the “C” is connected to the Choke Diaphragm, for now…..

I am curious about this Air Cleaner vacuum connection, I have struggled with those over the years every time I pulled them off. I think my grand wagoneers had about 4 vacuum connections to the air cleaner.

Thanks Gary for posting the CAL list. The verdicts are still out Counselor ….
See the attached photo below-

A/CL BI MET - Air Cleaner Bi Metal Sensor

A/CL DV - Air Cleaner Duct and Valve Vacuum Motor
 
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Old May 28, 2017 | 01:16 PM
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Also-

What I think is going on...

CM supplies full manifold vacuum to the actual choke motor pull-down (styles vary w/ application)

C supplies vacuum to another feature of the choke motor, and

V supplies vacuum to the Venturi Valve.

Of course this view is open to debate and/or controversy...
 
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Old May 28, 2017 | 01:23 PM
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I am not getting that from that picture above. .

 
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Old May 28, 2017 | 01:31 PM
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See the attached photo below-

If is non-viewable, I can E-Mail you a larger copy.
Makes sense, the A/Cleaner would be operated off a temp controlled vacuum switch.

Maybe that's the air cleaner connection to A/CL - DIV on his vacuum diagram.
 
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