Thanks! I am going to do a review on here once i have some miles on her. Stay tuned!

 

I think the new GM diesel is very strong as well. It's a sharp-looking truck, for sure. I'd just hate myself every time I got in the Denali and realized there was no more passive entry, push-button start, panoramic moonroof, heated rear seats, rear-seat A/C vents, LED headlights, auto high beams, etc, etc. Plus the offset steering wheel. It'd be hard to give all that up once you've had it.

 

Absolutely agree. That was a tough change for me. Gonna take some getting used to but i will give an honest review.

 

Good. I'll be interested to hear from your firsthand experience. I'm sure the Denali has some nice things about it as well that are better than the Ford.

 

Just a quick update for those curious. Dealer replaced the rear seal on the TC and I got the truck back on Thursday. I have driven and towed with it since...everything is still dry. Fingers crossed.

 

Who is making these *new* transfer cases for Ford? In the early marketing pieces for the 2017 Super Duty, Ford bragged about a new, stronger transfer case. They apparently forgot to mention how a few of them seem to leak.

Seems the old NVG 271/273 cases didn't have this issue...

 

We're all proud for you.

 

Yuh, Generic Motors went out of business because their stuff was so excellent that customers just couldn't get enough.

I'll never own anything made by those thieves -- Ever again.

Pure. Junk.

 

I understand the feeling, but GM did not "go out of business" and neither was their product "pure junk."

While some of their vehicles were garbage, some were not. They filed Chapter 11 in 2009. Nevertheless, a Corvette ZO6 from 2008 was a spectacular piece. The GMT900 trucks (2007-2013) proved to be reliable, long-lasting workhorses. The LML Duramax was developed during this period, as was the LMM right before it...great engines.

Let's not pretend Ford was making all awesome vehicles during this period either...they made some pretty dowdy stuff.

I do feel like GM buyers get to pay twice for their vehicle...once for the new vehicle, and again for the bailout. It leaves me without a great feeling towards GM.

That said, this poster's new Denali looks sharp, and although I don't think it is overall as good as the 2017 Super Duty, it cannot be denied that it is a nice truck.

 

I think all of the big three make good stuff now days. I had a 2009 Chevrolet diesel that gave me no trouble at all. Don't get me wrong I love my Ford but have to be honest they are all good.

 

Yes, GM did go completely, totally and absolutely out of business. Completely.

They bought the old Trademark (GM) from the defunct company, screwed tens of THOUSANDS of salaried employees out of their pensions, received and paid back a $10 Billion 'loan' then got 50 BILLION dollars from the Federal Government in their IPO (Initial Purchase Offering) because nobody else was going to pay $50 a share for a stock that was worth about $1..... Tops -- Which, when the Feds divested themselves of the remainder of their stock back in -- Whenever -- we, The People, only got about $30 Billion back, total. (Stock price was at about $30 a share and the Federal Gubermint paid $50 a share)

Generic Motors buyers aren't 'paying twice' for jack. The American People already paid that bill. To the tune of at least 20 BILLION dollars

We got screwed in so many ways, so badly, by that POS Company, I will NEVER buy anything made by them ever again. Ever.

And the thing is -- It wasn't by accident. They knew what was going to happen. They planned it. They got the right politicians in Office.

And they made it happen.

And I've owned several GM products in the past.

Bought my wife a new 1991 Seville. Biggest POS I've ever owned. 4.9 Motor couldn't decide whether to crap or make a sandwich. Ticked from day one, air shocks routinely went out and when they replaced them, the car would ride lop-sided.

Sold it and went looking for a new Caddy in 1994. Looked at the door gaps, hood gaps, trunk gaps, etc on the new style Caddy -- Terrible. The gap would start at 1/8 inch near the top and end up near 3/4 of an inch at the bottom. The sprayed on paint on the rocker panel was so thin, you could see right through it.

So we popped down to the Lincoln Mercury Dealership and started looking around. No way I'm buying Town Car. That just says "Old Man' all over it.

Look at a Mercury Cougar for 1/3 less money and the truth is -- It was a better car. Everything about it was better. Everything.

Ever try putting a new head on a North Star? Don't. Junk. Pure freaking junk.

The head bolts are about a foot long and they all strip out of the aluminum block. And the only people to get the 'special' Helicoils from is Generic Motors and -- They won't sell them to you unless you're a Dealer

GM can't even make their own Diesel. They owned Detroit Diesel until they ran that Company into the ground and had to sell it to Daimler.

And the still can't make their own Diesel. Gotta get Isuzu to make it for them.

And the Oldsmobile Diesel? Had one of them, too.

Yeah, Ford has made its fair share of junk in the past. But when they do it, it's by accident or stupidity.

GM just doesn't give a flying you-know-what. They consider themselves an 'icon' Part of the gubermint (they are). They put their products on the road and "Let The Public De-Bug" them. It's part of their operating strategy. Always has been. They are the worst thing to ever happen to the American Automotive industry.

And yeah, the ZO6 was, and still is, a decent car. If you hate your kidneys. They're fast. But so is diarrhea. For the money, 'Vettes are decent cars. They're just -- GM junk.

Ford ain't perfect. Far from it. But it will be a cold day in Hell when I spend a nickel on another Generic Motors product.

And Fiat? pathetic

Sorry for the rant.

 

In addition to screwing those employees, they also screwed their "OldCo" shareholders out of billions of dollars.

No GM for me, ever. But, I do admit that they have some compelling products on the market now.

 

Not to mention all the small Dealers they shut down out of the blue. And Delphi.

GM is poison. Everything they touch turns to garbage. They even ran the best Locomotive in the Country out of town. Cat bought them I think.

It's not an accident. It's the way they do business. It's their corporate culture.

The goobermint should have let them go belly up and be sold piece meal.

People can buy whatever they want, but I refuse to give such a company a dime of my money.

I'm sticking with Ford

 

I don't mind the rant - I agree with much of it. I'll disagree on a few points.

I'm aware of "old GM" vs "new GM" and the purchasing of the trademark, etc. It's all semantics, the company never went out of business in the sense that they closed the doors. They simply did what was a legal option to them - use bankruptcy law to avoid paying a lot of debts, including some pension debt and supplier debt, and establish a new company which was free and clear of all that. Some responsibility still existed - for example they still had to honor warranties from the "old GM" and safety recalls, such as the ignition switch debacle. Some pensions were bought out - for less - but at least they got something.

I was as disgusted as you when GM bragged in TV ads about how they paid back the government "in full and ahead of schedule." I was never fooled about the stock shares.

GM customers are "paying for it twice" whereas customers of other brands are only paying for GM products once.

I strongly disagree that they planned it. Poor management led all of the Big 3 down the same path. Mulally either got lucky or saw it coming - selling off luxury brands like Land Rover, Jaguar, Volvo, and Aston Martin...even mortgaging the blue Ford Oval trademark logo...but keep in mind at the start of this all of the Big 3 were begging for cash on the Senate floor, including Ford. All of them were producing mediocre products at best, relying on strong truck and SUV sales to keep the companies profitable...and then fuel prices climbed.

As to your bad experience with Caddy - sure - but I could name you off any number of junk products from almost *any* automaker with all the horror stories of warranty and repair and failure to go along with it.

Isuzu did not build the Duramax for GM. It was a joint venture called Dmax. GM wisely relied on a company with a lot of diesel engine experience to assist them in developing their new diesel. Of course, GM already owned more than 1/3 of Isuzu anyway, dating back to the 1970's with several badge-engineered Isuzu-GM vehicles already being sold anyway. GM now owns 60% of Dmax and all Duramax diesels have been built in the United States.

GM is an iconic American brand, and its ties to the gov are strong. GM has built an awful lot of war machines for this country and fulfilled a lot of contracts. Ford and Chrysler have too, so political leverage has always been there.

While I'm angry at GM for taking from the American people, I'm glad they're still around. They employ over 50,000 Americans with good-paying jobs. They also feed the structure - Tier automotive suppliers upstream and dealerships downstream - which brings the employment number up to a very large number and also keeps supplier parts at reasonable costs for all auto manufacturers.

FCA is the one I have the biggest problem with - because they are wholly owned by an Italian company. Yes, they employ Americans - but all profits go back to Italy.

 

this thread sure got political. They poster was not getting this solved and switched. I hope he did not loose to much money on Fords account.

I still own a Ford but certainly not batting for them as a honorable company that stands by their products. Fords mission is not to provide customers with a reliable vehicle. It's to make a profit.