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Old Mar 10, 2017 | 01:57 PM
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I have a 99 ranger 4x4 4.0 V6 with 200K miles..I just had the slave cylinder replaced and bled however, it is still hard to get into gear and when at a stop light with the clutch pedal pushed in all the way the truck tries to move foward as if its in gear. I took it back to the shop and the mechanic says that the hydrolic system is working as it should and the problem could only be the pilot bushing failing and causing the trans to partially engage. That sounds like a load of crap to me but wanted to run it past the Ranger community first to see if anybody could substantiate this theory. NOTE: The clutch and previous slave cyl only had 25K before the slave cyl failed and started leaking!! Thanks for your thoughts
 
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Old Mar 10, 2017 | 03:24 PM
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I had a pilot bearing fail on my 98 Ranger and it did cause the input shaft to bind up. My truck had about 235K on the clock when this happened. It wouldn't shift at all and the truck would not stop with the clutch depressed. I had to put it in neutral to stop it. I had to shut it off and then start it in first gear. I got it home (about 20 miles by shifting w/o the clutch. Thinking that my clutch had failed, I bought a clutch kit that included a new slave cylinder and throw out bearing. When we tore it down we found that the disk had lots of wear left and the flywheel was still in very good shape. Further inspection revealed that the pilot bearing had piled up and bound the shaft up. The bearing came out in several pieces. I bought a new bearing and a puller to get the old one out. (The puller was much more expensive than the bearing). That was all about 35K ago, so far so good.
 
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Old Mar 10, 2017 | 05:47 PM
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The pilot bearing very well could be causing problems.
However, it should have been replaced 25K miles ago. Looking at the receipt from 25K miles ago, was it?
 
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Old Mar 10, 2017 | 06:12 PM
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Thanks for the quick responses, as far as the reception goes I'll have to do some digging and see if I can find it.That should have been replaced as part of the "clutch job" but you never know even if they said they did! At this point it 's looking like I'll be pulling the transmission back out....😡..How frustrating, and expensive!!!!
 
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Old Mar 11, 2017 | 06:37 AM
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Casper1999,
I feel your frustration,,,,,, don't let it get ya down,,, one step at a time, take your time and it'll be fine.

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Old Mar 11, 2017 | 02:12 PM
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How much free play is there? If all the air is out of it you should only be able to push the pedal about an inch before feeling resistance. Yeah that sucks, at only 25K
 
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Old Mar 11, 2017 | 05:29 PM
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There is no free play in the late model hydraulic clutches. If it wasn't binding up before the slave cylinder was replaced. Then it probably not the pilot bearing. These hydraulic systems on the Rangers are an absolute b?..h to bleed.
 
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Old Mar 12, 2017 | 01:13 AM
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I did have the binding issue before the second slave cyl was replaced but figured it was caused by the cyl not completely disengaging the clutch. The shop that replaced my clutch has a really good reputation so I don't think they would have skimped on replacing the pilot bearing but they may have damaged it unknowingly while reincerting the trans shaft. It does sound like the pilot bearing is the likely culprit so the trans will be coming back out and the bearing replaced. I'll update with results to add to the knowledge base of the forum. Thanks
 
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Old Mar 16, 2017 | 04:18 PM
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UPDATE: Got the truck back today and it shifts like a dream!!!! I had forgotten how it was supposed to be! As it turns out, the pilot bearing was the problem. Apparently it had disentagrated and pieces were everywhere. The master cylinder was suspected of intermittent bypass so I had it replaced as well just to be sure. Thanks to everyone for their input.
 
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Old Mar 16, 2017 | 07:38 PM
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Thanks for coming back and sharing your findings! Glad you were able to get it back on the road.... Motor easy and don't be a stranger here!

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Old Mar 17, 2017 | 12:54 PM
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Although I'm busy with my project truck over on the 48-56 forum ,I do love my Ranger and will try to be more active over here and pay a little more attention to him...that's right I said "him"...his name is "CASPER" and he is a 1999 Ranger. "And now you know,the rest of the story" (Who remembers that?). Thanks again,Cheers
 
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Don't rule out the possibility of them damaging the pilot bearing when the original clutch job was done........I bought a 91 Ranger years ago that was acting the same way. I got it cheap because the owner thought that the trans was going bad because he had just had a new clutch put in it 500 miles before I bought it. I brought it home and dropped the trans and found that the pilot bearing had been smashed when they put the trans back in.........was very obvious what had happened...........put a new pilot bearing in and my brother is still driving it 15 years later........FWIW.....the pilot bearing in these is a small, frail looking needle style bearing.....I can see how you could damage one quite easily if you forced the transmission back into place without having things properly lined up.........
 
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Don't rule out the possibility of them damaging the pilot bearing when the original clutch job was done........I bought a 91 Ranger years ago that was acting the same way. I got it cheap because the owner thought that the trans was going bad because he had just had a new clutch put in it 500 miles before I bought it. I brought it home and dropped the trans and found that the pilot bearing had been smashed when they put the trans back in.........was very obvious what had happened...........put a new pilot bearing in and my brother is still driving it 15 years later........FWIW.....the pilot bearing in these is a small, frail looking needle style bearing.....I can see how you could damage one quite easily if you forced the transmission back into place without having things properly lined up.........
Yeah that's what I was thinking happened. But I'm back on the road again and hopefully these repairs will last longer this time.
 
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