Cheap paint!!!
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From: Iowa
i use swiss wax after a synthetic wax of two coats on brand new aluminum cars and trucks .It really makes it pop I was shown that by Carol Shelby painters helper it makes it bling and superior protection in my view... Merry Xmas and enjoy your super duty ....
swiss stays on paint longer than any out there 78% Vol. of pure yellow coloured Grade One Carnauba wax from Brazil yeah buddy LOL
swiss stays on paint longer than any out there 78% Vol. of pure yellow coloured Grade One Carnauba wax from Brazil yeah buddy LOLLOL--78% Carnauba at $799 for one jar is even beyond my insanity. The Glacier at 30% Carnauba for $199 a jar is insanity enough for me but it does go a long ways and lasts longer so maybe I am being a savvy buyer--
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From: Durango, CO
Maybe I'm not too smart or maybe some of these responses aren't written very well but none the less, I'm confused on the whole wax thing. Are you guys just saying to wax your truck and it will help protect your clear coat and/or help against rock chips? Also, for an average guy who doesn't want to spend a fortune or an entire weekend waxing their new truck, which type of wax would you recommend? Is it important that a brand new vehicle be waxed immediately?
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From: Hatfield's side of river
CO Waptiti; This is just my opinion, and we all know how opinions go, everybody has one...
A coat of wax, which makes a sheet of paper seem thick, is no match for a piece of gravel. I don't believe that wax is going to stop a rock chip in any way as I have had three coats of wax on my truck and then, low and behold, a new chip.
Regarding waxing a new vehicle. I've always been apprehensive about waxing a new vehicle because I was concerned that the paint wasn't fully cured. Last week I spoke with a friend who is a painter for Ford and asked him this very question. He told me that Ford bakes the paint at the factory, and within three days its fully cured.
Maguire's makes a very high quality sealant which many call "wax". Its the best thing, shy of using a product like "Kamikaze Miyabi Coat" which does offer some level of protection, plus a wet look that is just about second to none.
A coat of wax, which makes a sheet of paper seem thick, is no match for a piece of gravel. I don't believe that wax is going to stop a rock chip in any way as I have had three coats of wax on my truck and then, low and behold, a new chip.
Regarding waxing a new vehicle. I've always been apprehensive about waxing a new vehicle because I was concerned that the paint wasn't fully cured. Last week I spoke with a friend who is a painter for Ford and asked him this very question. He told me that Ford bakes the paint at the factory, and within three days its fully cured.
Maguire's makes a very high quality sealant which many call "wax". Its the best thing, shy of using a product like "Kamikaze Miyabi Coat" which does offer some level of protection, plus a wet look that is just about second to none.
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From: Illinois
That is the problem with painted bumpers.It's no different than throwing rocks at the side of your truck.I've had painted bumpers on all my trucks and my current 07 has them.Now what your truck looks like is pretty bad.My truck looks like that but it is 10 years old.I too would be mad.I'm not a fan of chrome but I think im going with the stock chrome bumpers this time around.I'm sick of finding new paint chips eveytime I wash my truck.
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From: Illinois
CO Waptiti; This is just my opinion, and we all know how opinions go, everybody has one...
A coat of wax, which makes a sheet of paper seem thick, is no match for a piece of gravel. I don't believe that wax is going to stop a rock chip in any way as I have had three coats of wax on my truck and then, low and behold, a new chip.
Regarding waxing a new vehicle. I've always been apprehensive about waxing a new vehicle because I was concerned that the paint wasn't fully cured. Last week I spoke with a friend who is a painter for Ford and asked him this very question. He told me that Ford bakes the paint at the factory, and within three days its fully cured.
Maguire's makes a very high quality sealant which many call "wax". Its the best thing, shy of using a product like "Kamikaze Miyabi Coat" which does offer some level of protection, plus a wet look that is just about second to none.
A coat of wax, which makes a sheet of paper seem thick, is no match for a piece of gravel. I don't believe that wax is going to stop a rock chip in any way as I have had three coats of wax on my truck and then, low and behold, a new chip.
Regarding waxing a new vehicle. I've always been apprehensive about waxing a new vehicle because I was concerned that the paint wasn't fully cured. Last week I spoke with a friend who is a painter for Ford and asked him this very question. He told me that Ford bakes the paint at the factory, and within three days its fully cured.
Maguire's makes a very high quality sealant which many call "wax". Its the best thing, shy of using a product like "Kamikaze Miyabi Coat" which does offer some level of protection, plus a wet look that is just about second to none.
As far as wax goes...I only use this guys stuff,All made in America
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I feel like the best strongest option would be to have it wrapped (color matched) or clear bra on an already painted bumper. My '12 painted bumper has held up well but i replaced the chrome bumper after an accident months after owning it and had it painted with none of this water based crap. I can't stand an all chrome front end
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From: Lewisberry, Penn
Every ounce counts, and it also reduces material cost by a huge factor giving the surface area and volume of trucks Ford sells. I'd guess in part they are banking on the aluminum to mean the paint doesn't matter as much, but I would hope they work to get it to hold up a bit better than those pictures show!
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just going off the factory videos on youtube.
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This was very common back then as the paint needed to fully harden. The first base clears were pretty good but still needed time to cure.
These new low VOC water based paints are cured much in the same way but they don't seem to need any particular length of time to cure. The first vehicle I painted this way was a gold Toyota Highlander. The owner waxed it the next week and had no troubles. But the amount of chipping on the front bumper and hood was an eye opener.
I believe these paints are responsible for the surge in 3M clear film in the last 8 years or so.
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Every ounce counts, and it also reduces material cost by a huge factor giving the surface area and volume of trucks Ford sells. I'd guess in part they are banking on the aluminum to mean the paint doesn't matter as much, but I would hope they work to get it to hold up a bit better than those pictures show!
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I know it makes a difference in right setting like to the bean counters but on a car longevity should also be factored in so your product looks great years down the road. Planes are painted lighter colors like white because a dark color like black could add 500lbs to the plane but on a HD truck skimping on paint for weight would just be stupid especially because of the way our trucks get worked
Aircraft are painted white for a variety of reasons including keeping expansion to a minimum or keeping the cabin cool. And its the cheapest paint color!
Black paint will not weigh any measurable amount more than white. The only way to keep 500 lbs off an airliner is to fly it in its aluminum skin.
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Nope.
Aircraft are painted white for a variety of reasons including keeping expansion to a minimum or keeping the cabin cool. And its the cheapest paint color!
Black paint will not weigh any measurable amount more than white. The only way to keep 500 lbs off an airliner is to fly it in its aluminum skin.
Aircraft are painted white for a variety of reasons including keeping expansion to a minimum or keeping the cabin cool. And its the cheapest paint color!
Black paint will not weigh any measurable amount more than white. The only way to keep 500 lbs off an airliner is to fly it in its aluminum skin.
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Another solution, which we used on my wife's last vehicle: once the front got beaten up pretty good, we had the front fascia removed and repainted. Oddly, the repainted front seemed more durable and still looked great when we sold it. Maybe, since the repainting was done by hand, the paint was thicker? Anyways, IIRC, it costed us around $300 and made it look brand new.
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From: Illinois
In the "olde" days when I was still using single stage paint I would tell the owners not to wax for 90 days.
This was very common back then as the paint needed to fully harden. The first base clears were pretty good but still needed time to cure.
These new low VOC water based paints are cured much in the same way but they don't seem to need any particular length of time to cure. The first vehicle I painted this way was a gold Toyota Highlander. The owner waxed it the next week and had no troubles. But the amount of chipping on the front bumper and hood was an eye opener.
I believe these paints are responsible for the surge in 3M clear film in the last 8 years or so.
This was very common back then as the paint needed to fully harden. The first base clears were pretty good but still needed time to cure.
These new low VOC water based paints are cured much in the same way but they don't seem to need any particular length of time to cure. The first vehicle I painted this way was a gold Toyota Highlander. The owner waxed it the next week and had no troubles. But the amount of chipping on the front bumper and hood was an eye opener.
I believe these paints are responsible for the surge in 3M clear film in the last 8 years or so.
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Ok so i took it in today, had to get my oil changed anyways, the clerk said its happening to all the new trucks and tried to say theirs nothing they can do!
But i wasn't going to have that so i spoke with the sales manager and he told me that its the 1st he heard of it and jumped on the case, he took all kinds of pics and showed me some imperfections in the paint job! there was some bubbles and other concerns! its going to be a day or two as he has to talk to ford by email but its looking good!
afterwards if i get the repaint i will take it in and have the 3M clear vinyl installed, that will do much better than any wax!
But i wasn't going to have that so i spoke with the sales manager and he told me that its the 1st he heard of it and jumped on the case, he took all kinds of pics and showed me some imperfections in the paint job! there was some bubbles and other concerns! its going to be a day or two as he has to talk to ford by email but its looking good!
afterwards if i get the repaint i will take it in and have the 3M clear vinyl installed, that will do much better than any wax!