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Old Aug 9, 2018 | 09:08 AM
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I'm chasing down the same symptom, somewhere there's a short in the circuit for the rear tail lamps. I do not see a ground following the harness from the left rr housing down across inside the bumper. Nothing is pinched, chaffed, or broken. Is it worth looking next at the switch on the brake peddle and work back from there?
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In my experience (granted: on GM cars, not on excursions), these symptoms are usually caused by a hot-side short between tail and brake light circuits, or a short to ground, not strictly a ground issue. This is most often an internal short in the light socket, a failure of the light bulb itself, or in one instance, an improperly installed bulb that had crossed both contacts in the socket.

This symptom is indicative of a short to ground:
Turn signals light up and pulse the third brake light and license plate lights
Easy way to check the common ground wire is to put it in reverse with the ignition on, engine off, and see what else comes on besides the BU lamps.
 
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Old Aug 9, 2018 | 09:25 AM
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Old Aug 9, 2018 | 09:28 AM
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Originally Posted by 02EX73
I'm chasing down the same symptom, somewhere there's a short in the circuit for the rear tail lamps. I do not see a ground following the harness from the left rr housing down across inside the bumper. Nothing is pinched, chaffed, or broken. Is it worth looking next at the switch on the brake peddle and work back from there?
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It would be most useful if you were explicit on an individual basis in the description of your problem on your truck as this thread already covers multiple symptoms.

 
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Old Aug 10, 2018 | 11:14 AM
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Originally Posted by 96firephoenix
In my experience (granted: on GM cars, not on excursions), these symptoms are usually caused by a hot-side short between tail and brake light circuits, or a short to ground, not strictly a ground issue. This is most often an internal short in the light socket, a failure of the light bulb itself, or in one instance, an improperly installed bulb that had crossed both contacts in the socket.

This symptom is indicative of a short to ground:


Easy way to check the common ground wire is to put it in reverse with the ignition on, engine off, and see what else comes on besides the BU lamps.
Yes, hot-side short sounds right. ignition on, engine off, in R and no backup lights, voltage is going to parking lights. now to find where those two come together?
 
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Old Aug 10, 2018 | 11:42 AM
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<snip> ...an improperly installed bulb that had crossed both contacts in the socket. <snip>
I've seen and repaired this too many times... most recently on a Jeep Liberty that the dealer wanted to charge the lady $260 plus labor to replace the taillight housing. Simply the wrong bulb crossing both contacts.

People go into the auto parts store and grab the wrong bulb, somehow manage to cram and bungle it in there, then wonder why everything goes wonky.
 
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Old Aug 10, 2018 | 01:03 PM
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Yes, hot-side short sounds right. ignition on, engine off, in R and no backup lights, voltage is going to parking lights. now to find where those two come together?
That's odd... Those circuits shouldn't interact at all except at the common ground. First thing would be to put some replacement backup light bulbs in and see if you get any change. After that, follow the wires back and look for chafing.
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I've seen and repaired this too many times... most recently on a Jeep Liberty that the dealer wanted to charge the lady $260 plus labor to replace the taillight housing. Simply the wrong bulb crossing both contacts.

People go into the auto parts store and grab the wrong bulb, somehow manage to cram and bungle it in there, then wonder why everything goes wonky.
Crazy part is it was my own car. It was the right bulb, and it was fine for a year. I had put it in weakly and it vibrated crooked over time. putting it back forcefully fixed it and it's still fine 5 years later.
 
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Old Aug 23, 2018 | 05:02 PM
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Reverse, brake and parking bulbs are good, sockets are tested good. I followed the entire harness from tail lights to interior and no where did I find chaffing or wear. The rear bumper is rusted out and can see and follow the rear harness across inside the bumper every thing is 100%. This sucks.
 
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Old Aug 24, 2018 | 07:28 AM
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Reverse, brake and parking bulbs are good, sockets are tested good. I followed the entire harness from tail lights to interior and no where did I find chaffing or wear. The rear bumper is rusted out and can see and follow the rear harness across inside the bumper every thing is 100%. This sucks.
Time to get a multimeter and start testing what contacts in every socket have a path to ground. As soon as you find one with continuity to ground that isn't a ground wire (usually black or green), start looking at that specific wire.

If you don't have any hotside shorts to ground, check for continuity between all your hotside contacts and the hotside of your parking lamps.
 
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Fixed. Tapped in new ground, done!


Added a jump wire on drivers side brake/tail light just before the connector. Almost always a ground problem, and it's usually the little things she now feels like the new lol
 
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Where did you at the jumper wire to ?
 
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Old May 15, 2019 | 06:37 AM
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Where did you at the jumper wire to ?
I screwed into the steel with a 3" length wire right there behind where the light mounts. That picture sucks, doesn't help, sorry about that.
 
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Old May 15, 2019 | 07:09 AM
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You might have been able to save yourself quite a bit of trouble by replacing that pigtail. It sounds like it could have been a bad connection between the bulb and the socket. A $10 part would have been easier....
 
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