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Old Aug 18, 2019 | 11:58 AM
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Just turned 87k on my ‘15 XLT 2.7. Other than oil changes and filters, not one issue. Drive 66 miles round trip to work daily. Just replaced the original tires at 83k and the rear brakes at 85k. Front brakes have 7mm left. They are the original ones.
Had a 08 Silverado before. Had to do the front brakes every year. Wicked rotor shudder

Wife’s 18 Escape 1.5 EB has 20k. Gets great mileage and it’s pretty peppy.

Daughters 19 EcoSport 1.0 EB runs nice. It’s new. Time will tell.
 
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Old Aug 18, 2019 | 02:11 PM
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Originally Posted by GlueGuy
Coking turbos was an issue in the 1980s, and maybe a little bit in the 1990s before manufacturers added auxiliary cooling. Both the 2.7L EB and the 3.5L EB turbos have auxiliary cooling.
Then you haven't pulled one apart lately......Try a 2017 F150...….I just helped a friend with his 6 weeks ago (30k miles), as the turbo's were coked up and it was easier/cheaper for my bud to pull them and send them off here in Los Angeles to a turbo rebuilder than have the dealer address it.....it's out of warranty.....and the issue imho, it's all hard/slow city miles he deals with (has a sandblaster business)…. the second issue indirectly are the extended oil drain frequencies...….I' not the only one that has been saying this for the past decade.....and yes, as the complexity of the engine increases (EB), there is a much greater dependency for the pressure control devices to function with absolute precision.....Ford has done a remarkable job of achieving this...but, when there is failure, the costs/time, etc. is catastrophic (typically) with the costs exceeding the value of the engine and vehicle.....aux cooling has little impact on coking......coking is caused by (1) heat buildup after shutdown which has been partially addressed not the aux oil coolers but with the oil continuing to flow for 30 seconds after shutdown....something that every diesel truck driver is taught to do as part of their formal training.....IE...after a freeway run, let the engine idle for 30 seconds+ to cool the oil & the turbo.... and 2ndly, engine oil...entering the intake (remember Ford allows 1 quart of oil per 1,000 miles as acceptable burn/bypass)…...and low peed operation not enough to "burn" the carbon residue up/out....

Others agree as well with the concern over fluid changes...……..

 
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Old Aug 18, 2019 | 02:18 PM
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Okay, Beechkid. Ya think maybe you got bashed because the most recent post in your trouble list is almost FIVE years old? Um, the current 3.5L, or the 2.7L aren’t event the same engines as 5 years ago.
Hmm, check out my post just above......funny, the timing chains/hydraulic tensioner part numbers are all the same...….oil change frequency is longer and oh, gee...


https://www.underhoodservice.com/ecoboost-failures/

Ignition, Induction, timing chain, ECM reflash…..May 2016
 
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Old Aug 18, 2019 | 02:49 PM
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Everyone who has an EcoBoost ought to be using full synthetic oil. I have since new and have zero oil usage with 45k miles on it now with 7,500 mile oil changes. The last time I bought oil, I was in a hurry and bought high mileage oil instead of the regular. This oil change interval has the cleanest oil yet and less soot on the tail pipe. I may use that oil from now on. Also, I always try to get some WOT runs in at least once or twice a week to keep things clean inside. In my opinion engines tend to age poorly when babied.
 
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Old Aug 19, 2019 | 05:45 AM
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It's no secret that in town miles will kill an ecoboost just as quickly as a turbo diesel. That's why I'm looking outside the Ford stable for my wife's replacement vehicle because the majority of her miles are in town and I don't want to deal with the consequences AND Ford has bet the farm on the ecoboost.

Having said all that, my 2011 truck is amazing. I enter the freeway every day and hammer it, I change the oil every 5000 miles with MC 5w-30 semi-syn and nary an issue.

I believe that some of issues that surround the EB program is just the luck of the draw BUT, I do believe that most issues are the fault of the user for not doing more frequent maintenance and Ford for not telling people that they need to do more frequent maintenance.

Look, we all know that someone who had a seemingly bulletproof engine go bad long before it should have but that doesn't make all engines in the segment bad. I had a 1988 Ford 5.8L go bad at 89,000 miles but we all know this to be a great engine minus the wicked poor MPG's. All maintenance was spot on, just the luck of the draw.
 
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Old Aug 19, 2019 | 10:34 AM
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Originally Posted by tseekins
It's no secret that in town miles will kill an ecoboost just as quickly as a turbo diesel. That's why I'm looking outside the Ford stable for my wife's replacement vehicle because the majority of her miles are in town and I don't want to deal with the consequences AND Ford has bet the farm on the ecoboost.
For us, it's not the in-town mileage, but the mountain climbing that kills the mileage. I mostly feather-foot it in town, and I'm typically getting 18-19 MPG in town. Going up the mountain (which I do every time I come home), the mileage drops to about 12 MPG. I make up for it somewhat when I go downhill, as that is well over 20 MPG; the instantaneous readout often shows 40+ MPG.
 
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Old Aug 20, 2019 | 12:34 PM
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Only issue I would have with the 2.7L is the leaky oil pan problem. Many don't have it. But if you do, ypu may have fixed a few times. My service manager hates em. Now in fairness this may have a long term fix by now?
 
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Old Aug 20, 2019 | 02:04 PM
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Originally Posted by PowerKid
Only issue I would have with the 2.7L is the leaky oil pan problem. Many don't have it. But if you do, ypu may have fixed a few times. My service manager hates em. Now in fairness this may have a long term fix by now?
I don't know that it's all that common, but it appears to cause service departments trouble if they can't fix it correctly. I personally know half a dozen people with the 2.7L, and none of them have a leaky oil pan.
 
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Old Aug 20, 2019 | 02:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Beechkid
Then you haven't pulled one apart lately......Try a 2017 F150...….I just helped a friend with his 6 weeks ago (30k miles), as the turbo's were coked up and it was easier/cheaper for my bud to pull them and send them off here in Los Angeles to a turbo rebuilder than have the dealer address it.....it's out of warranty.....and the issue imho, it's all hard/slow city miles he deals with (has a sandblaster business)…. the second issue indirectly are the extended oil drain frequencies...….I' not the only one that has been saying this for the past decade.....and yes, as the complexity of the engine increases (EB), there is a much greater dependency for the pressure control devices to function with absolute precision.....Ford has done a remarkable job of achieving this...but, when there is failure, the costs/time, etc. is catastrophic (typically) with the costs exceeding the value of the engine and vehicle.....aux cooling has little impact on coking......coking is caused by (1) heat buildup after shutdown which has been partially addressed not the aux oil coolers but with the oil continuing to flow for 30 seconds after shutdown....something that every diesel truck driver is taught to do as part of their formal training.....IE...after a freeway run, let the engine idle for 30 seconds+ to cool the oil & the turbo.... and 2ndly, engine oil...entering the intake (remember Ford allows 1 quart of oil per 1,000 miles as acceptable burn/bypass)…...and low peed operation not enough to "burn" the carbon residue up/out....

Others agree as well with the concern over fluid changes...……..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYDjVYT51Jg&t=127s
Why was a 2 year old turbo with 30K miles on it not under the power train warranty?
Ever since the Ford tech you linked to posted a picture of BMW valves to explain how Ford Ecoboosts would coke up, he lost all credibility.
 
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Old Aug 20, 2019 | 03:02 PM
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The powertrain warranty is 5 years, 60k miles. Why is a 2 years old truck with 30k miles out of warranty. Was it modified in some way?

That Ford tech has some videos that are worth watching. But he committed himself to being a critic if the EcoBoost. I don’t know if he is still that way, but these videos keep getting circulated. He lost credibility with me when be made a video about why he bought a Ram 1500 diesel. Now that was a problem plagued engine when it was released.

There is another old video circulating to this day about asking Ford techs which engine they prefer. The replies were all in favor of the 5.0. I’m sure it was easy to edit that to get the outcome desired.

These arguments are similar to the gas vs diesel threads in the Super Duty forum. They will never end and both sides think they are right. Let’s get this back on the topic of the 2.7.

Oil pan leaks were being reported here, but I haven’t seen many repeats since Ford issued the TSB on a proper fix for it. I haven’t seen any new posts about leaks for awhile either. So it seems like that issue has been sorted out by Ford.
 
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Old Aug 20, 2019 | 07:41 PM
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Originally Posted by JKBrad
There is another old video circulating to this day about asking Ford techs which engine they prefer. The replies were all in favor of the 5.0. I’m sure it was easy to edit that to get the outcome desired.
When we got our 2015 (summer of 2015), we were picking up a couple of things at the parts counter. There were a couple of techs there also picking up parts for whatever they were working on. We asked them which engine they liked. Almost in unison, they both replied "EcoBoost."
 
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Old Aug 21, 2019 | 09:35 AM
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2018 and 2019 != previous years with the 2.7L EB

One thing to remember is that late 2018 Ford went to a dual injection system with both pre-compression fuel, and direct injection fuel allowing for detergents and fuel to contact the back sides of the upper for cleaning purposes. As a previous GDi engine owner (2013 Hyundai Veloster), we frequently had to run seafoam to clean the back side. My motor blew up in that car due to a clogged cat from ***** gas. when the cat went, it clogged completely and started an oil consumption problem resulting in a replaced motor about 10k miles after the cat went. Towards the end, i was only getting about 540 miles per quart of oil.

I'd expect the newer 2.7's with dual injection to run cleaner. And hopefully without a lot of buildup on the turbos. This is also my first turbo vehicle...taking much care to not drive it hard for the last 10 mins to home to allow things to cool down a little. Back when I actually did any real wrenching, turbo timers were a thing.
 
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Old Aug 23, 2019 | 01:24 PM
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When I got mine serviced the service advisor asked me about my low mileage and I told him I just don't go anywhere anymore. He said I needed to get out on the interstate or get a trusted friend to do it and drive for an hour and blow the soot out. Blowing the soot out might be a Southern thang. 2016 F150 XLT 4x4
 
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Old Aug 23, 2019 | 01:52 PM
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Originally Posted by mikemtn
When I got mine serviced the service advisor asked me about my low mileage and I told him I just don't go anywhere anymore. He said I needed to get out on the interstate or get a trusted friend to do it and drive for an hour and blow the soot out. Blowing the soot out might be a Southern thang. 2016 F150 XLT 4x4
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Old Aug 23, 2019 | 02:36 PM
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In the midwest, we called it clearing the carbon from the valves.
 
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