E4OD...Manual valve control?
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E4OD...Manual valve control?
I have searched high and low and only found one thread where 1 guy tried to make one manual, but not like I am asking. So my question is, why can't you take a 12V wire and power the shift position sensor on the driver side, then use those outputs like the computer to control relays that manually open and shut the solenoids through the control input on the passenger side? I do realize it has a variable pressure line that the computer controls and I have not figured that out yet, but a straight engine rpm sensor might be able to make that work.
Please call me crazy if you want, I am quite curious about this and it would probably sway me in my swap I am doing.
Please call me crazy if you want, I am quite curious about this and it would probably sway me in my swap I am doing.
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I actually made a controller like this one time. It was for a race series that did not allow any computers on the race car, and we wanted to run an E4OD.
There is no relationship between engine speed and required pressure. RPM won't do it for you. You need the pressure to be relative to engine output torque. I had no way to make that work, either. Since this race car made around 700 HP, I just left the EPC (Electronic Pressure Control) solenoid unplugged. This defaults to maximum pressure.
It worked well for a short time. Then the forward clutch drum blew apart. Turns out that's a known weakness of the E4OD/4R100, the forward clutch drum can't hold max pressure when the shift handle is in the 1 position. We had access to aftermarket drums that were much stronger, but still came apart.
There is no relationship between engine speed and required pressure. RPM won't do it for you. You need the pressure to be relative to engine output torque. I had no way to make that work, either. Since this race car made around 700 HP, I just left the EPC (Electronic Pressure Control) solenoid unplugged. This defaults to maximum pressure.
It worked well for a short time. Then the forward clutch drum blew apart. Turns out that's a known weakness of the E4OD/4R100, the forward clutch drum can't hold max pressure when the shift handle is in the 1 position. We had access to aftermarket drums that were much stronger, but still came apart.
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Thank you sir, I did see you replied to the thread I was referring to. So, it will work like that, with the exception of the weak point that you stated. I don't have the experience you do, but I did stare at a schematic and said, why can't I do it that way.
Is there a way to control the pressure other than a computer and pardon this question, but I do not have a manual in front of me, what is the 1 position?
Is there a way to control the pressure other than a computer and pardon this question, but I do not have a manual in front of me, what is the 1 position?
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I should probably say why I am asking this stuff, I am doing an engine/tranny swap and want manual control of the tranny, but I want it to be an auto. My choices are C6 w/GV, E4OD (If I can get it to work like I am asking.), 47RH/47RE (That came behind the engine originally, but they are impossible to find for under $1200 in 2wd and the valve body is roughly $600 alone.)
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The 1 position is when you move the shift handle from D, down to 2, then down to 1.
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Do you mind me asking you, what is your personal thoughts on either doing this, if it is possible, or going for a C6 manual valve body with gear vendors od?
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why can't you take a 12V wire and power the shift position sensor on the driver side, then use those outputs like the computer to control relays that manually open and shut the solenoids through the control input on the passenger side?
Please call me crazy if you want.
Please call me crazy if you want.
you can already control the trans manually.shift manually into 1,2,3 or 4.
to get 3 only,just hit the od cancel switch.when you want 4th,hit the switch again.
if you want to control lockup of the converter,you can add in a switch to turn that off too if desired.
as for controlling pressure,install a transgo shift kit.when going easy,it will shift easier.push it and she'll shift firmer.
your making things far too difficult on yourself.even if you could do everything manually,it would grow old fast or you would break something because you forgot to turn a dial/hit a switch.
the trans works very well as designed (with a shift kit)
if the truck is just a toy,why not just go with a c6 if you like things basic or drop in a manual trans if you want full control?
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A C6 would be much easier to do.
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I though about the exact thing here on the E4OD. I was going to use a manual H pattern shifter(home made) with the switches controlling the solenoids in the E4OD.
I did not have enough information on how the EPC works when I was in the planning stages(many years ago) so it was abandoned. Now reading this thread, got me thinking again!
By the way, I have done this with a Chrysler A604 tranny(no EPC to mess with). Only issue with that A604 was no neutral unless you shifted the manual control to neutral. But that did verify it was not a mechanical issue with the transmission!
Not sure of the E4OD does neutral with solenoids.
I did not have enough information on how the EPC works when I was in the planning stages(many years ago) so it was abandoned. Now reading this thread, got me thinking again!
By the way, I have done this with a Chrysler A604 tranny(no EPC to mess with). Only issue with that A604 was no neutral unless you shifted the manual control to neutral. But that did verify it was not a mechanical issue with the transmission!
Not sure of the E4OD does neutral with solenoids.
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