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Old 10-14-2016, 11:36 AM
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429 Bellhousing?

I have procured a 429 bellhousing(I also procured the engine hehe). I am still learning a about these older Ford engines and components. Anyone have a stories or tips? Are they good to run in these dentsides? Included are images of the bellhousing, how can I tell if this is an original part or a remanufacture(I think it's a reman)? I was told it will link up with my 4 speed. I'm not sure yet if I am going to swap it into the pickup, I might find a mustang, but that's a whole different forum. I need to find the shield.
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Old 10-14-2016, 11:47 AM
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Are you talking about the bell being good to run in our trucks or the 429? The bell will work on any 351M/400, 429 or 460. It (the bell) appears to be a Ford issue - 77 truck.

Is the 429 a Thunder Jet - out of a car, or an industrial - > 1 ton engine? An industrial 429 will have a 1.75" crank snout diameter....If I remember right.
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Old 10-14-2016, 11:52 AM
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I have procured a 429 bellhousing(I also procured the engine hehe). I am still learning a about these older Ford engines and components. Anyone have a stories or tips? Are they good to run in these dentsides? Included are images of the bellhousing, how can I tell if this is an original part or a remanufacture(I think it's a reman)? I was told it will link up with my 4 speed. I'm not sure yet if I am going to swap it into the pickup, I might find a mustang, but that's a whole different forum. I need to find the shield.
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This bell housing is not from any 429!

Marked: D7TA-7505-AD = Ford part number: D7TZ-7505-A .. 351M/400 Bell Housing / Obsolete

1977/78 F100/350 & 1978 Bronco / 1979 F100/350 & Bronco before serial number DG0,001.
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Forgive my ignorance for like the 50th time.
So just because it isn't an original 429 Bellhousing, it will work on the engine, correct?
To answer Filthy Beasts comment, the actual history of the engine is unknown at this point. I can get images up of that at some point, but the story goes is that it was completely rebuilt to power a Lincoln hotrod, the hotrod was rolled off the road. The engine was fine and was sold and dropped into an 80's Ford pickup, which was subsequently rolled as well. So either the engine is cursed, which I don't believe in curses, or this was too much engine for these people.
I believe I may be able to track down the builder, or at least have some leads on possible information on the build. I got into it because I am having problems with a reman 390fe ATK engine. Which is a whole nother headache and not worth the story.
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The 385 (all have 3.85" stroke) series Ford engine (429-460) was factory available in rear wheel drive (RWD) dents and all had C6 auto transmissions. If you have a RWD dent and you have a C6 that fits this engine, it's a bolt-in assuming that you can source the motor mount and transmission brackets.
With aftermarket parts, one can install this engine into a 4WD. Lots of people have done this and posted their builds here. The manual transmission may require some careful research. First off, I'd assume that you've already confirmed that this bell housing correctly bolts up to the engine block.
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The 385 (all have 3.85" stroke) series Ford engine (429 -460) was factory available in rear wheel drive (RWD) dents and all had C6 auto transmissions. If you have a RWD dent and you have a C6 that fits this engine, it's a bolt-in assuming that you can source the motor mount and transmission brackets.
With aftermarket parts, one can install this engine into a 4WD. Lots of people have done this and posted their builds here. The manual transmission may require some careful research. First off, I'd assume that you've already confirmed that this bell housing correctly bolts up to the engine block.
No F100/350 came with a 429, only installed in 1968/73 Ford/Merc Passenger Cars.

All the 460's installed in 1968/78 Passenger Cars and 1973/79 F100/350's were only available with the C6, all the F100/350's were 2WD

1983 was the first year the 460 was available with 4WD & M/T, F250/350 only and thru 1997, have a hydraulic clutch.
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The 385 (all have 3.85" stroke) series Ford engine (429-460) was factory available in rear wheel drive (RWD) dents and all had C6 auto transmissions. If you have a RWD dent and you have a C6 that fits this engine, it's a bolt-in assuming that you can source the motor mount and transmission brackets.
With aftermarket parts, one can install this engine into a 4WD. Lots of people have done this and posted their builds here. The manual transmission may require some careful research. First off, I'd assume that you've already confirmed that this bell housing correctly bolts up to the engine block.
I haven't gotten into the project yet, I am assuming it does. I know that assumption is the mother of all eff-ups but I trust the man I got this stuff from because he's a friend and engineer and he had all this stuff to put in a truck to begin with and never got around to it.
Thank you for the information, NumbersDummy! I guess I'll try and search some keywords and attempt to find help from someone who has done this conversion. I have a NP435 4-speed, and I'm sure this bellhousing will work with the engine block. I heard 360-390 flywheels work in these and the clutch shouldn't be too hard to figure out.
It will be my first time figuring most of this stuff out. It is a 4X4, divorced transfer. Highboy(high-rider)
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I heard 360-390 flywheels work in these and the clutch shouldn't be too hard to figure out.
Beware: The FE engines (360, 390) are internally balanced whereas many 385 series engines are externally balanced. Look right behind the harmonic balancer for a counterweight. That will confirm external balance and the fact that the flywheel cannot be neutral.
Damaging vibration may result from installing a flywheel for an internally balanced engine onto an externally balanced engine..
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Welcome to the 385 world. These motors have a few unique characteristics, but what you're going to do has been done, is being done, and will be done again. There are some good threads on here to help guide you.
Early 385 motors are internally balanced, later are externally balanced, I don't know when they changed but I "think" it's around 1979 or so? As stated above, look for a hatchet weight on back of the balancer, f it has it you're looking at an externally balanced motor. Don't mix and match between internal/external balance parts.
I believe distributors from the 351m/400 will also interchange, and possibly 351c as well.
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Beware: The FE engines (360, 390) are internally balanced whereas many 385 series engines are externally balanced. Look right behind the harmonic balancer for a counterweight. That will confirm external balance and the fact that the flywheel cannot be neutral.
Damaging vibration may result from installing a flywheel for an internally balanced engine onto an externally balanced engine..
I believe that flywheels and flex plates are zero-balanced from the manufacturer. The only external balance mechanism is the weight on the balancer, internal balance is achieved through the crankshaft counterweights.
Someone correct me if I'm wrong here.
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429/460 block casting number prefixes: C8VE (1968) - C9VE (1969) - D0VE (1970) and block casting number D1VE-6015- AB or A1B or A2B (1971/78 and early 1979) are internally balanced.

Mid-year 1979, FoMoCo changed the 460 engine, the block casting number is D9TE-6015-AB .. it's externally balanced, has a weighted crank spacer.

The harmonic balancer and flywheel (flexplate) are different than the 1968/78 and early 1979 engines.
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429/460 block casting number prefixes: C8VE (1968) - C9VE (1969) - D0VE (1970) and block casting number D1VE-6015- AB or A1B or A2B (1971/78 and early 1979) are internally balanced.

Mid-year 1979, FoMoCo changed the 460 engine, the block casting number is D9TE-6015-AB .. it's externally balanced, has a weighted crank spacer.

The harmonic balancer and flywheel (flexplate) are different than the 1968/78 and early 1979 engines.
Thank you. If you don't mind I might be annoying you into the future here with my ignorance.

I am buying a stand and picking up this engine this Saturday, I do photography work and will be able to shoot some high-res images of this thing and maybe you guys can help me see what I've actually got here. I am going down a rabbit hole on this one, but I got a good deal on this stuff, and it seems kind of exciting to me! And I don't even know yet what I'm going to do with this engine.

Thank you. By the way, for the few who remember me, I've been coming in for awhile but very spotty, here is where I am at with my rig. She's getting there. Still a lot of ups and downs with her. You all have been very helpful, and for that I am grateful.

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