Newbie question about payload
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Newbie question about payload
Apologize up front if this is basic knowledge somewhere in the forum. Tried to search and couldn't find an explanation.
I am looking to purchase F350 to haul a slide in truck camper. In looking at SRW payloads on the spreadsheet, why does a GVWR of 11,500 show less payload capacity than an 11,200 GVWR? The web based spreadsheet has the numbers 3,610 vs. 4,060 respectively.
2016 Ford Super Duty | View Payload Specifications | Ford.com
Generally speaking the payload increases as the GVWR increases but, there are a few examples where all else being equal (Cab style, SRW/DRW, 2WD/4WD) it seems a lot different. Trying to understand why.
I also have been reading that the 2017's have quite a bit more payload due to weight savings with the aluminum bodies. May need to limit my choices to brand new model year but was trying to take advantage of a decent deal on leftover 2016's.
Any expert advise appreciated.
I am looking to purchase F350 to haul a slide in truck camper. In looking at SRW payloads on the spreadsheet, why does a GVWR of 11,500 show less payload capacity than an 11,200 GVWR? The web based spreadsheet has the numbers 3,610 vs. 4,060 respectively.
2016 Ford Super Duty | View Payload Specifications | Ford.com
Generally speaking the payload increases as the GVWR increases but, there are a few examples where all else being equal (Cab style, SRW/DRW, 2WD/4WD) it seems a lot different. Trying to understand why.
I also have been reading that the 2017's have quite a bit more payload due to weight savings with the aluminum bodies. May need to limit my choices to brand new model year but was trying to take advantage of a decent deal on leftover 2016's.
Any expert advise appreciated.
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not an expert..
4x4 is bad for carrying a load.. it adds weight to truck
high end trim packages are bad for carrying a load. it adds weight to truck
diesel engine reduces carrying load.
remember if new... 4.30 gears (GAS) are better , I think 3.55 is for diesel.
get slide-in camper package, and get the Tow package.
fyi, the "XL" with camper and tow packages can carry the Most weight. and still tow at max.
4x4 is bad for carrying a load.. it adds weight to truck
high end trim packages are bad for carrying a load. it adds weight to truck
diesel engine reduces carrying load.
remember if new... 4.30 gears (GAS) are better , I think 3.55 is for diesel.
get slide-in camper package, and get the Tow package.
fyi, the "XL" with camper and tow packages can carry the Most weight. and still tow at max.
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Payload is GVWR - truck weight plan and simple. Ford often offers a higher GVWR for trucks with the diesel motor. So the chart differences are most likely all between the power train. For a quick example I took a W3B 158" WB, gas gave GVWR of 10,600, and changing nothing but motor made it 11,200. The payload is used up by the weight of the motor, so even though it's a higher GVWR, the truck weight is also higher.
Currently there is only 2k in rebate differences and the prices are similar for most base trimmed trucks (options add more). IMO, I'd just order the right '17 speced the way you want rather than get a "great deal" on a '16. Until 03 OCT 16 there is 0% on the '16s, but if you aren't going that route, then I think you'll be happier with the '17 and the price. The only difference between this year and last year to a dealer is the rebates, unless you find a true aged unit then it's worth a few hundred bucks more, which still isn't enough to be worthwhile to me.
Currently there is only 2k in rebate differences and the prices are similar for most base trimmed trucks (options add more). IMO, I'd just order the right '17 speced the way you want rather than get a "great deal" on a '16. Until 03 OCT 16 there is 0% on the '16s, but if you aren't going that route, then I think you'll be happier with the '17 and the price. The only difference between this year and last year to a dealer is the rebates, unless you find a true aged unit then it's worth a few hundred bucks more, which still isn't enough to be worthwhile to me.
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yes, weight of options above base package subtracts from the payload.
for slide in campers you need rear anti sway kits which a lot of superduties dont have.
dont for get compute the fresh+gray+black tank weights on tope of the base camper weight.
when you consider it will be usefull to have a slide in camper and pull a small trailer , have a hitch mounted cargo carrier, hitch mounted motorcycle or bike rack.....you might want to think real hard about why not buy a dually.
going down winding hill roads with a slide in camper mounted on a wobbly woe SRW could get scary. been there...done that.
for slide in campers you need rear anti sway kits which a lot of superduties dont have.
dont for get compute the fresh+gray+black tank weights on tope of the base camper weight.
when you consider it will be usefull to have a slide in camper and pull a small trailer , have a hitch mounted cargo carrier, hitch mounted motorcycle or bike rack.....you might want to think real hard about why not buy a dually.
going down winding hill roads with a slide in camper mounted on a wobbly woe SRW could get scary. been there...done that.
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Just to add one tidbit...the spreadsheet with payloads and other towing figures is OK for getting a ballpark. But every truck is unique regarding it's payload capacity due to different trim levels, engines, etc. Check the payload capacity for the specific truck you want to buy by checking the yellow decal in the driver door jamb. So many folks buy an F350 diesel Platinum Lariat FX4 with 500 lbs of skid plates expecting over 3k lbs in payload only to be surprised when they find out their new truck only has 1700 lbs of payload (exaggerated but you get the idea).
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on this site. is a VIN decoder.... under the TOOLS menu... if you find a truck... get the vin and decode it. you will see what it was built with.
a work truck is a Work truck.
a City Cowboy truck is not a work truck.
the rear anti-sway bar is part of the Camper Slide-in package.
mine has the bar.
my opinion.
a work truck is a Work truck.
a City Cowboy truck is not a work truck.
the rear anti-sway bar is part of the Camper Slide-in package.
mine has the bar.
my opinion.
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Appreciate everyone chiming in. I was at my local dealer and looked at the only 2017 250 they had on the lot which was an XL CCSB STX pkg. with 2wd. Surprisingly it had a payload sticker of 3,791#. Not a lot of bells and whistles on it but could carry a lot.
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I would select which slide in camper you want FIRST, and then go out and get a truck with enough capacity to carry it. Also, that '17 you're looking at is a short bed? Short bed will severely limit the choices you have on slide in campers.
As said before, don't just look at "dry weights" on campers, make sure you figure in the water weight, plus food, clothes and gear, as well as passengers, dogs, beer and guns.
It's very easy to overload a SRW truck's rear axle with a slide in (or large 5th wheel for that matter).
As said before, don't just look at "dry weights" on campers, make sure you figure in the water weight, plus food, clothes and gear, as well as passengers, dogs, beer and guns.
It's very easy to overload a SRW truck's rear axle with a slide in (or large 5th wheel for that matter).
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