Notices
1980 - 1986 Bullnose F100, F150 & Larger F-Series Trucks Discuss the Early Eighties Bullnose Ford Truck

Ball joint-what am I doing wrong

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Aug 14, 2016 | 12:03 PM
  #1  
crandallf150's Avatar
crandallf150
Thread Starter
|
Cross-Country
Joined: Jul 2016
Posts: 91
Likes: 0
Ball joint-what am I doing wrong

I've got the ball joints started top and bottom but why does my castle go past the cotter key hole and how do you hold the shafts top and bottom in order to get the nuts tight-The threaded shaft have flat screwdriver type slots in the bottom of each do they assist in holding the shaft still while you tighten?
 
Attached Images  
Reply
Old Aug 14, 2016 | 12:28 PM
  #2  
Franklin2's Avatar
Franklin2
Moderator
25 Year Member
Photogenic
Community Builder
Community Influencer
Joined: Jan 2001
Posts: 56,983
Likes: 2,736
From: Virginia
Club FTE Gold Member
Loosen the nut back up and try to wiggle the threaded stud portion of the balljoint that the nut threads on. If it loosens right up and you can wiggle it around, I think you have the wrong balljoint. If it's the correct one it should already be stuck in the tapered hole.
 
Reply
Old Aug 14, 2016 | 01:08 PM
  #3  
crandallf150's Avatar
crandallf150
Thread Starter
|
Cross-Country
Joined: Jul 2016
Posts: 91
Likes: 0
I've installed the upper ball joint how I remembered it to go and the bottom ball joint rotates w the spindle but the top remains stationary and the spindle rotates around it-this is not correct right? What have I done wrong to bind up the shaft?
 

Last edited by crandallf150; Aug 14, 2016 at 01:58 PM. Reason: better description
Reply
Old Aug 14, 2016 | 04:02 PM
  #4  
WhatsAChevy?'s Avatar
WhatsAChevy?
Posting Guru
Joined: Jul 2015
Posts: 2,239
Likes: 5
From: Northeast Ohio USA
I think you may have the incorrect ball joints like Franklin stated. You are correct in assuming that the screwdriver slot is there to stop the BJ from turning while the castle nut is tightened. If they were correct, they would have "seated" while allowing the cotter key hole to be aligned with the castle nut when tightened.
 
Reply
Old Aug 14, 2016 | 04:59 PM
  #5  
reamer's Avatar
reamer
Logistics Pro
20 Year Member
Photogenic
Photoriffic
Shutterbug
Joined: Jan 2001
Posts: 3,789
Likes: 26
From: Connecticut
Looks like you have the caster adjustment sleeve, incorrect.
Do you have the caster adjuster on the top ball joint? and installed from the top of the arm/tube? (mine is a 4x4)

using a floor jack, lift the truck on the ball joint it's self, now it will not spin.
 
Reply
Old Aug 14, 2016 | 05:14 PM
  #6  
WhatsAChevy?'s Avatar
WhatsAChevy?
Posting Guru
Joined: Jul 2015
Posts: 2,239
Likes: 5
From: Northeast Ohio USA


Yep Reamer....it does
 
Reply
Old Aug 14, 2016 | 06:17 PM
  #7  
reamer's Avatar
reamer
Logistics Pro
20 Year Member
Photogenic
Photoriffic
Shutterbug
Joined: Jan 2001
Posts: 3,789
Likes: 26
From: Connecticut
Originally Posted by WhatsAChevy?


Yep Reamer....it does
Not sure if you agree with me or ????
By the way what is that aluminum-colored disk under your coil?
 
Reply
Old Aug 14, 2016 | 06:38 PM
  #8  
WhatsAChevy?'s Avatar
WhatsAChevy?
Posting Guru
Joined: Jul 2015
Posts: 2,239
Likes: 5
From: Northeast Ohio USA
Originally Posted by reamer
Not sure if you agree with me or ????
By the way what is that aluminum-colored disk under your coil?
I am in agreement....and that, ummm (now gone) aluminum disc at the base of the coil spring in the spring seat was the previous owner's attempt at lifting the front end which proved to be...well...ignorant, to say the very least given the problems that they caused to the geometry of the front end.
 
Reply
FTE Stories

Ford Trucks for Ford Truck Enthusiasts

story-0

Top 10 Most Expensive Ford Trucks Ever Sold on Bring a Trailer

 Joe Kucinski
story-1

2027 Ford Super Duty Buyer's Guide (Every Model, Engine, & Package)

 Brett Foote
story-2

Top 10 Ford Truck Tragedies

 Joe Kucinski
story-3

AEV FXL Super Duty - the Super Duty Raptor Ford Doesn't Make

 Brett Foote
story-4

Lobo Vs Lobo: Proof the F-150 Lobo Should Be Even Lower!

 Michael S. Palmer
story-5

Ford's 2001 Explorer Sportsman Concept Looks For a New Home

 Verdad Gallardo
story-6

10 Best Ford Truck Engines We Miss the Most!

 Joe Kucinski
story-7

2026 Shelby F-150 Off-Road: Better Than a Raptor R?

 Brett Foote
story-8

2027 Super Duty Carhartt Package First Look: 12 Things You NEED to Know!

 Michael S. Palmer
story-9

10 Most Surprising 2026 Ford Truck Features!

 Joe Kucinski
Old Aug 14, 2016 | 07:08 PM
  #9  
crandallf150's Avatar
crandallf150
Thread Starter
|
Cross-Country
Joined: Jul 2016
Posts: 91
Likes: 0
MY caster adjust is located under the arm at the upper joint,also does the adjusters have a left and a right? the passenger side must be shimmed with washers to get the castle nut down to the cotter pin and the drivers side upper joint/adjuster will not tighten the spindle flush with the joint,it lackes about a quarter inch and when tightend the spindle will not move,the adjuster compresses on the BJ shaft....does the adjusters have L&R ?
 
Reply
Old Aug 14, 2016 | 07:57 PM
  #10  
WhatsAChevy?'s Avatar
WhatsAChevy?
Posting Guru
Joined: Jul 2015
Posts: 2,239
Likes: 5
From: Northeast Ohio USA
My take on the question

Originally Posted by crandallf150
MY caster adjust is located under the arm at the upper joint, also, do the adjusters have a left and a right? the passenger side must be shimmed with washers to get the castle nut down to the cotter pin and the drivers side upper joint/adjuster will not tighten the spindle flush with the joint, it lacks about a quarter inch and when tightened, the spindle will not move and the adjuster compresses on the BJ shaft....are the adjusters specific to left and right ?
Sorry....I felt the need to correct.
 
Reply
Old Aug 14, 2016 | 08:24 PM
  #11  
crandallf150's Avatar
crandallf150
Thread Starter
|
Cross-Country
Joined: Jul 2016
Posts: 91
Likes: 0
Well thank you for that any idea what the answer might be left or right? I'm stumped
 
Reply
Old Aug 16, 2016 | 11:05 AM
  #12  
WhatsAChevy?'s Avatar
WhatsAChevy?
Posting Guru
Joined: Jul 2015
Posts: 2,239
Likes: 5
From: Northeast Ohio USA
That 1/4" space would be filled by the eccentrics/spacers used during an alignment to correct castor/camber issues. I did some searching and cannot find any info on whether they are specific to left or right. Going off of mine, they look to be universal. I do know that in the air-cooled VW world, some are L/R specific but that's about as useful here as well.....a VW. Maybe someone else can chime in with more ideas.
 
Reply
Old Aug 16, 2016 | 11:30 AM
  #13  
crandallf150's Avatar
crandallf150
Thread Starter
|
Cross-Country
Joined: Jul 2016
Posts: 91
Likes: 0
Yes I'm completely stumped as stated the passenger side has to be shim down to where the castle will reach the cotter pin hole the driver side lax about a quarter inch at the top of the spindle before reaching the upper you joint boot I've called O'Reillys and A shop and everyone says that the U joints are the same on both sides no change in size-so you're saying that quarter inch gap needs spacers put in place by the alignment shop the other ones did not have it that I took out and what about the passenger-side they're the same size as the one removed but the castle nut has to be shim down as if it was too long-it's the exact same length
 
Reply
Old Aug 16, 2016 | 11:50 AM
  #14  
Franklin2's Avatar
Franklin2
Moderator
25 Year Member
Photogenic
Community Builder
Community Influencer
Joined: Jan 2001
Posts: 56,983
Likes: 2,736
From: Virginia
Club FTE Gold Member
You can't put any spacers or shims near the large part of the balljoint(the "ball" area). If you wanted to use any spacers, they would have to be washers to space the nut out so the castles are in the hole area.

Why in the picture below the alignment eccentric is very close to the spindle? In the bottom picture there is a space, the eccentric is not as far up in the hole.



 
Reply
Old Aug 16, 2016 | 12:14 PM
  #15  
reamer's Avatar
reamer
Logistics Pro
20 Year Member
Photogenic
Photoriffic
Shutterbug
Joined: Jan 2001
Posts: 3,789
Likes: 26
From: Connecticut
it is upside down!
Threads Up on the top one.......casted adjuster need to be installed from the top.....
 
Reply



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 08:29 PM.

story-0
Top 10 Most Expensive Ford Trucks Ever Sold on Bring a Trailer

Slideshow: 10 most expensive Ford trucks ever sold on Bring a Trailer.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-05-27 16:24:34


VIEW MORE
story-1
2027 Ford Super Duty Buyer's Guide (Every Model, Engine, & Package)

Here's everything that has changed for the latest model year.

By Brett Foote | 2026-05-27 16:17:28


VIEW MORE
story-2
Top 10 Ford Truck Tragedies

Slideshow: Top 10 Ford truck tragedies.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-05-18 19:34:33


VIEW MORE
story-3
AEV FXL Super Duty - the Super Duty Raptor Ford Doesn't Make

And it might be even better than that.

By Brett Foote | 2026-05-18 19:26:42


VIEW MORE
story-4
Lobo Vs Lobo: Proof the F-150 Lobo Should Be Even Lower!

Slideshow: Does lowering an F-150 Lobo RUIN the ride quality?

By Michael S. Palmer | 2026-05-18 19:20:37


VIEW MORE
story-5
Ford's 2001 Explorer Sportsman Concept Looks For a New Home

Slideshow: Ford's bizarre fishing-themed Explorer concept has resurfaced after spending decades largely forgotten.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-05-12 18:07:46


VIEW MORE
story-6
10 Best Ford Truck Engines We Miss the Most!

Slideshow: The 10 best Ford truck engines we miss the most.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-05-12 13:09:47


VIEW MORE
story-7
2026 Shelby F-150 Off-Road: Better Than a Raptor R?

Slideshow: first look at the 810 hp 2026 Shelby F-150 Off-Road!

By Brett Foote | 2026-05-12 12:50:07


VIEW MORE
story-8
2027 Super Duty Carhartt Package First Look: 12 Things You NEED to Know!

Slideshow: Everything You Need to Know about the 2027 Super Duty Carhartt Package!

By Michael S. Palmer | 2026-05-07 17:51:06


VIEW MORE
story-9
10 Most Surprising 2026 Ford Truck Features!

Slideshow: 10 most surprising Ford truck options/features in 2026.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-05-05 11:17:22


VIEW MORE