Platinum vs Lariat
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The 17's do not have better leather and the seat "cooling" is considerably worse. They've got the same **** that was in my 2015 F-150 Lariat. Its worse than what's in my 2016 F-250 Lariat. I did a whole break down on the 2015 F-150 Lariat interior vs. my 2016 F-250 Lariat interior and some other things here.
The rear legroom is *significantly* more. I'm not sure how you think it is only slightly more. The 150 cab is 4" longer than the Super Duty cab. Additionally, the Super Duty has a small storage area behind the rear seat backs of the crew cab seats. That cuts into legroom a small amount, but I really appreciated this space. I stored tow straps, ratchet straps, shackles, and clevis back here.
In the front, the seats of the 150 power back further than the Super Duty, and passenger foot room is improved because the transmission bulge doesn't exist.
My biggest complaint in seat height. The 150 cab is 2" shorter in height than the outgoing Super Duty cab. By default, the seats are mounted higher off the floor in the Super Duty than the 150. You can use the power controls to adjust the 150 seat up higher, but headroom starts to go away fast. Hence the issue some of us tall folks have with ordering the pano sunroof, which cuts a further 2" of headroom.
I don't notice any issue with the thickness of the plastic on the door panels and dash. In my opinion, the outgoing Super Duty had the worst cheap looking door panels of almost any vehicle I'd ever seen. Even a Platinum had those horrible front door speaker grilles, simply molded into the plastic. The new 150 panels have a vastly improved, modern design which can look decently upscale even in XLT trim.
The glove compartment on the current Super Duty is a weak spot. Basically, its tiny, doesn't lock, isn't lit, and has no damper. Maybe these are small issues, but you can pretty much only fit the vehicle literature in it. I prefer a locking and larger box. The new 150 / SD delivers on this front.
One complaint we all had was how weak the front "assist" handles were on the front a-pillars of the outgoing Super Duty. You could get them to flex by pulling on them, and some people had them break. The new 150 front handles feel very solid.
I know some people really liked the round HVAC vents, but there is no doubt the new HVAC system is superior. It moves a much higher volume of air, and the center vents are large enough and with high enough volume to really send air to the rear if you ordered a split bench front. Driving my 2016 6.7L and then the 2016 F-150 is a revelation; the diesel's A/C felt nearly non-existent.
The leather on the steering wheel feels night and day better than on the previous 150. The steering wheel as a whole feels better.
The audio systems are better, only by a little, but it wouldn't take much to beat the previous systems.
The door handles have a very satisfying feel to them. Chunky. The doors close very well; no rippling sheet metal like on the old F-150.
The cab of a 2016 Super Duty is very quiet. The new 150 cab is at least as quiet if not quieter.
One area of cost cutting is that the vanity mirrors on the XLT, even with luxury package such as ours, are not lit. They were on our previous 2011 F-150.
One surprising area of *not* cutting cost is the courtesy lighting. Not only are the front and rear map / reading lights LED, the individual switches in the roof, even in the rear, are illuminated! This is a relatively rare feature found typically only on expensive vehicles. In fact, Ford really stepped up the game on interior lighting for the new 150 / SD. In addition to the roof lights, Ford also finally lit the power mirror switches, the memory seat switch, the power pedal switch, and even the parking brake switch if electric. In my opinion, one of the primary areas to detect cost cutting is how well interior switches are illuminated. Many Japanese cars only light the driver's power window switch and none of the others. I hate that.
Couple of downsides. Due to the roof console switches, one of the sunglasses bins went away. Ford thinks we need 4 cup holders in the front, but only one sunglasses bin. Hmm.
The front door armrests are very well padded and have an exceptionally comfortable feel to them. However, the rear armrests are basically hard plastic. Even the outgoing Super Duty has some form of rubber padding on the rear seat arm rest.
I agree the Nav / audio screen was in a better location on the outgoing Super Duty. It was as high up as you could get. The new one is OK, but not as good. However, the Sync 3 system is far faster and more responsive than the old MyFord Touch. I like the open bin on the center of the dash of the new trucks. The old trucks either had a useless shallow open plastic tray which everything slid around on (XLT and XL trucks) or the covered, oddly-shaped bin above the navi system.
The seats themselves: overall, the outgoing Super Duty seemed to have more comfortable seats. The new 150 seats feel about as comfortable as the old F-150 seats, which I always thought were a little bit inferior to the Super Duty seats. The SD seats seemed to have more padding in them.
I will agree about the lighting controls. The old trucks had simple, grippy headlight switches with the traditional "pull for fog lights" design. The new switch is a shiny, flat, round switch. You cannot "feel" the position and the fogs have to be turned on via a separate switch. In the old truck, the 4x4 switch was the same design as the headlight switch: easy to grip and turn. The new switch is slippery and your hand naturally slides off it. Unfortunately, there is even more resistance to turn it, and it is very hard to pull out to engage the rear locker.
The old Super Duty and the new 150 / SD do not both have "flat floors." The old SD had a bin system under the seats, lockable, and dividable. The 150 seat bases would always fold up and provide a totally flat, very large area with the seats folded up, but did not have the bins. The new SD offers a mostly flat floor with the seats folded up, including a slightly raised area where new, flimsy bins can be erected and seat cushions locked down. Its a compromise.
Overall, the new cab is a significant improvement and feels much more upscale, even in lower trims. There are definitely a few areas which could still use improvement, but I'm content.
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Back to the painted mirror caps. Check this out: Home | Bill Grant Ford
That truck is a Lariat, and it has painted mirror caps.
It is linked in the first post of this thread: https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/1...ng-boards.html
That truck is a Lariat, and it has painted mirror caps.
It is linked in the first post of this thread: https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/1...ng-boards.html
Tuned
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The rear legroom is *significantly* more. I'm not sure how you think it is only slightly more. The 150 cab is 4" longer than the Super Duty cab. Additionally, the Super Duty has a small storage area behind the rear seat backs of the crew cab seats. That cuts into legroom a small amount, but I really appreciated this space. I stored tow straps, ratchet straps, shackles, and clevis back here.
My biggest complaint in seat height. The 150 cab is 2" shorter in height than the outgoing Super Duty cab. By default, the seats are mounted higher off the floor in the Super Duty than the 150. You can use the power controls to adjust the 150 seat up higher, but headroom starts to go away fast. Hence the issue some of us tall folks have with ordering the pano sunroof, which cuts a further 2" of headroom.
I don't notice any issue with the thickness of the plastic on the door panels and dash. In my opinion, the outgoing Super Duty had the worst cheap looking door panels of almost any vehicle I'd ever seen. Even a Platinum had those horrible front door speaker grilles, simply molded into the plastic. The new 150 panels have a vastly improved, modern design which can look decently upscale even in XLT trim.
The glove compartment on the current Super Duty is a weak spot. Basically, its tiny, doesn't lock, isn't lit, and has no damper. Maybe these are small issues, but you can pretty much only fit the vehicle literature in it. I prefer a locking and larger box. The new 150 / SD delivers on this front.
I'm not someone who carries a lot of crap in their vehicle that stays in the vehicle on a permanent basis. Aside from a couple items in my center console, (flashlight, some CDs, cleaning cloth for the NAV screen) I have only tow rope, tie downs, jumper cables, ice scraper, work gloves, and some basic tools in the storage area behind the rear seat and in the bin on the passenger side, under the back seat. My glove box contains the manuals and that's about it. I normally carry some napkins in there for emergencies. I didn't even notice that this was smaller than the one in my F-150. I'm not saying your wrong, but is of no concern. Granted, the complaint about lighting is definitely valid. 
I know some people really liked the round HVAC vents, but there is no doubt the new HVAC system is superior. It moves a much higher volume of air, and the center vents are large enough and with high enough volume to really send air to the rear if you ordered a split bench front. Driving my 2016 6.7L and then the 2016 F-150 is a revelation; the diesel's A/C felt nearly non-existent.
One surprising area of *not* cutting cost is the courtesy lighting. Not only are the front and rear map / reading lights LED, the individual switches in the roof, even in the rear, are illuminated! This is a relatively rare feature found typically only on expensive vehicles. In fact, Ford really stepped up the game on interior lighting for the new 150 / SD. In addition to the roof lights, Ford also finally lit the power mirror switches, the memory seat switch, the power pedal switch, and even the parking brake switch if electric. In my opinion, one of the primary areas to detect cost cutting is how well interior switches are illuminated. Many Japanese cars only light the driver's power window switch and none of the others. I hate that.
I agree the Nav / audio screen was in a better location on the outgoing Super Duty. It was as high up as you could get. The new one is OK, but not as good. However, the Sync 3 system is far faster and more responsive than the old MyFord Touch. I like the open bin on the center of the dash of the new trucks. The old trucks either had a useless shallow open plastic tray which everything slid around on (XLT and XL trucks) or the covered, oddly-shaped bin above the navi system.
The seats themselves: overall, the outgoing Super Duty seemed to have more comfortable seats. The new 150 seats feel about as comfortable as the old F-150 seats, which I always thought were a little bit inferior to the Super Duty seats. The SD seats seemed to have more padding in them.
I will agree about the lighting controls. The old trucks had simple, grippy headlight switches with the traditional "pull for fog lights" design. The new switch is a shiny, flat, round switch. You cannot "feel" the position and the fogs have to be turned on via a separate switch. In the old truck, the 4x4 switch was the same design as the headlight switch: easy to grip and turn. The new switch is slippery and your hand naturally slides off it. Unfortunately, there is even more resistance to turn it, and it is very hard to pull out to engage the rear locker.
The old Super Duty and the new 150 / SD do not both have "flat floors." The old SD had a bin system under the seats, lockable, and dividable. The 150 seat bases would always fold up and provide a totally flat, very large area with the seats folded up, but did not have the bins. The new SD offers a mostly flat floor with the seats folded up, including a slightly raised area where new, flimsy bins can be erected and seat cushions locked down. Its a compromise.
For the most part I agree. Aesthetically, certainly. There are a few areas where I think the new interior takes a form over function approach as it does with things like the lighting controls. Again, panel gap fitment and the areas where like the AC bezels mate to the dash are terrible in the new trucks. They have sharp edges that do not blend together at all. The A/C vents are either undersized, or oversized feeling depending on where they meet the dash. Run your finger over these seams and you'll see. Ford could have done better here. Console plastics are thinner, etc. There are no perfect vehicles, and the new trucks improve more than than they cut back on. That said, I'm still very happy with my 2016 F-250 and don't feel like I lost much switching to it from the F-150. (Speaking of the Interior alone.)
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The small storage area and under seat storage are vastly superior on the Super Duty. I don't do much riding in the back of trucks, but it only felt like a bit more room to me. None of the passengers I've carried seem to have noticed the difference. When asked, they all said it was "about the same" as the F-150's cab. I know there is more space in the F-150 cab, but I don't think it's a night and day difference. I think the reason why is because outgoing Super Duty cab was really good in this area and the new F-150 is better, but both are adequate.
This may be true. I'm 6' and never felt the need to back either one up all the way. I did notice the passenger foot well area had more room due to the transmission bulge. I knew this was the case with the F-150, I do not know if the 2017 Super Duties have this or not. This is why I never brought up that comparison.
Fair enough. I do notice a little less headroom in my F-250, but I chalked that up to having the sun roof. MY F-150 didn't. Taller people may indeed have concerns here. I haven't played with how low or tall the seats can go. I do notice that the seating position of the 2016 SD is higher which is something I like.
I've seen far worse door panels than the outgoing Super Duty has. That said, I do agree that the new ones look better in all trims. However my F-150's didn't feel as solid as they do in the 2016 Super Duty. The door handle on my F-150 creaked quite a bit, especially when my leg was up against it. I hated the creaking so much that anytime I went over a bunch, I'd pull my leg off of it so I never had to hear it. It just felt cheap to me.
For one thing, I'm not a hoarder. I'm not someone who carries a lot of crap in their vehicle that stays in the vehicle on a permanent basis. Aside from a couple items in my center console, (flashlight, some CDs, cleaning cloth for the NAV screen) I have only tow rope, tie downs, jumper cables, ice scraper, work gloves, and some basic tools in the storage area behind the rear seat and in the bin on the passenger side, under the back seat. My glove box contains the manuals and that's about it. I normally carry some napkins in there for emergencies. I didn't even notice that this was smaller than the one in my F-150. I'm not saying your wrong, but is of no concern. Granted, the complaint about lighting is definitely valid.
I'm not someone who carries a lot of crap in their vehicle that stays in the vehicle on a permanent basis. Aside from a couple items in my center console, (flashlight, some CDs, cleaning cloth for the NAV screen) I have only tow rope, tie downs, jumper cables, ice scraper, work gloves, and some basic tools in the storage area behind the rear seat and in the bin on the passenger side, under the back seat. My glove box contains the manuals and that's about it. I normally carry some napkins in there for emergencies. I didn't even notice that this was smaller than the one in my F-150. I'm not saying your wrong, but is of no concern. Granted, the complaint about lighting is definitely valid.
They are weak out the 2015+ F-150's too. The ones on my F-150 flex just as badly as they do on my Super Duty. My weight may have something to do with it. I don't know. I weigh about 220lbs. I'm not light, but I'm sure many Super Duty owners are heavier than me. Fortunately, I never put the jerking hand on those handles because they'd snap right off.
Aesthetically, I agree with you. In terms of functionality, I couldn't disagree more. My 2015 F-150's air conditioning was no where near as good as it is in my 2016 F-250 with the diesel engine. It was one of the first things I noticed. My F-250 puts out a lot more air and its colder air on top of that.
The audio system on the new trucks may indeed be better. However, my 2015 F-150 Lariat 501A didn't have the upgraded Sony stereo. My 2016 F-250 Lariat Ultimate does. So between those two trucks the 2016 F-250 SD has better audio than my old truck did. Now, a 2016 F-150 or 2017 Super Duty with the Sony radio might be even better. I don't know. I haven't spent enough time with them to know. Audio isn't a huge deal for me and it's the last thing I really evaluate about any vehicle.
I couldn't disagree more. I had the opposite experience. My 2015 F-150's door handles felt cheap and they creaked when touched. The 2016 F-250's door handles are solid and neither move, nor make noise when grabbed. As for the door sheet metal, I never noticed much difference between my 2008 F-150, 2015 F-150 and 2016 F-250.
On the 2009-2014 F-150, shutting the door would visibly cause the sheet metal to ripple a little bit. The Super Duty never did this, but the AL doors on the new 150 feel much tighter.
I agree with you once again. That said, my 2016 F-250 has most of these lit as well. The only ones that aren't are the moon roof controls.
For the most part I agree. Aesthetically, certainly. There are a few areas where I think the new interior takes a form over function approach as it does with things like the lighting controls. Again, panel gap fitment and the areas where like the AC bezels mate to the dash are terrible in the new trucks. They have sharp edges that do not blend together at all. The A/C vents are either undersized, or oversized feeling depending on where they meet the dash. Run your finger over these seams and you'll see. Ford could have done better here. Console plastics are thinner, etc. There are no perfect vehicles, and the new trucks improve more than than they cut back on. That said, I'm still very happy with my 2016 F-250 and don't feel like I lost much switching to it from the F-150. (Speaking of the Interior alone.)
As for cut lines, I always hated how Ford literally cut the plastic dash top on the Super Duty to install the high-mounted and covered navi system. Ergonomically, its terrific...but I hated seeing the cut lines in the middle of the dash. Anyway, that's my perspective, your perspective may be different. I do like the outgoing Super Duty cab very well, after having 3 trucks in that generation, its a good, very well proven design, and I was always comfortable in it.
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Got more. 
I'm always driving so again I've noticed the difference, but it wasn't earth shattering to me.
When I posted my orginal comments I wasn't actually thinking of forward leg room but rather side to side. I've got fairly beefy thighs and the F-150 seemed a little confining side to side. The 2016 SD feels much roomier in this regard. Front to back I didn't notice a difference. Either can go back much farther than I need. At 6'5" that would be different I'm sure.
That makes sense.
My F-150 didn't really rattle or squeak so much unless I had my leg against the door panel. Specifically it put pressure on the interior door / grab handle and it creaked when going over bumps. When I'd pull the door shut I could feel it as well.
To be perfectly honest, all the truck interiors feel too cheap for what some of them cost. My truck stickers for $65,680 and it's not even a Platinum or King Ranch. It's not a DRW or an F-350. 
This might simply be a case of manufacturing variance. My F-150 could have been a bad example of the F-150 while my F-250 is a good example of the 2016 Super Duty. I sometimes wonder if the variances are due to potential changes in the time of year a vehicle is put together, or what's going on in the factory at the time. My F-150 was built on 4/17/15 while my Super Duty was built on 2/24/16. I don't know if that means anything or not. In my experience, the first year of a new body style is usually about the worst example of a given model while the last year should be the best. This may at least in part be responsible for my experiences between the two. My F-150 was the first year of the current model while my Super Duty is the last.
That's a good question. I don't really know. Again I think some manufacturing variances come into play with this. It isn't that the AC in my F-150 was bad, in fact its the best of any truck I've owned up until I got my 2016 F-250. Its also possible that there were part revisions or some change with my F-250 vs. the one(s) you've had / experienced. I don't know.
I like a good audio system, but it isn't a key factor in making a purchase decision. I prefer vehicles with more options so I've often had the upgraded audio in a given vehicle model, but it was never the driving force behind any purchase decision.
No we are not. I'm talking about the interior door handles. Comparing the F-150 to my current truck, its Apples vs. Oranges. I think the Peterbuilt style work better on the Super Duty given its height vs. the F-150. Even with larger tires and a leveling kit, my F-250 sits higher. I like the older style handles better, but I don't think there is a quality difference I can put my finger on, nor does this impact how I feel about either truck. My girlfriend actually really likes the Super Duty door handles on the outgoing model. Its one of the only things she notices. She thinks my F-150 and F-250 are basically the same. The new one is just taller as far as she can tell. Many of my friends didn't even notice I got a new truck thinking the 2015 F-150 and 2016 F-250 look the same. (I did get them in the same color, but otherwise the two are very different.)
I don't recall this on my 2008 F-150. A friend of mine had a 2011 F-150 XLT 5.0L 2WD that I didn't ride in very much. He had it all of a year and traded it for a VW CC. (I have no idea why.) The doors on my F-150 were harder to close and did feel lighter, but I wouldn't say they felt of any less quality.
Your right about the memory switch, but I think my telescopic controls are lit, and I was sure the mirror controls were. I haven't had it very long and I can count on one hand all the times I've driven it at night so far. You may be correct.
My comments about the vents have nothing to do with sizing of the actual vent. I am talking about the bezel where the AC vents reside and how that mates to the dash. It's a quality issue, not necessarily a design or aesthetic issue. It in no way is meant to imply that this effects the AC functionality in any way either. There may be more airflow to the rear of the cab via the center vents, but I know for a fact that the CFMs coming out of my truck's vents at max AC is greater and at a lower temperature than what came out of my F-150. I'd bet money on it. If I still had that truck I'd get my infrared temperature gauge on it and compare the two.
The covered area on top of the navigation system is the one major "quality" issue I have with the interior. It looks terrible and feels cheap as hell. The 2011-2013 (or 2014?) design was better in this regard. I do however really think the navigation system's position is better in the outgoing 2016 model.
The head room is basically good in both trucks. But if you run a tape measure from floor to ceiling in both cabs, the 2016 Super Duty has about 2" more height in its cab than the 150 cab does. In order to keep the headroom about the same, Ford "cheated" and mounted the front and rear seats a little lower to the floor on the 150. This makes a long-legged person have to bend their knees up a little more than is comfortable on a long journey. The only way to correct is to raise the seat height, which is impossible if you have a sunroof in the 150.
Strange. Maybe yours was just loose or something. Our 2016 F-150 doesn't so much as make a squeak or rattle anywhere after 5k miles. I lean my leg there all the time. It's probably an exaggeration to say the outgoing Super Duty has the worst door panels, but they are basically just big slabs of all the same color plastic, with cheap (but useful) door bins attached to them. I hated the molded speaker grille the most.
My vehicle interiors are spotless, but the storage areas are crammed full. When I'm running my side business, I'm saving every receipt, I have extra insurance paperwork, etc. I would like a larger, and less cheap feeling, glove compartment. The Super Duty 'box seemed way to cheap on a vehicle costing as much as it does.
Lol. Strange again, though, because they feel decidedly stronger on the 150 than my '16 Super Duty. At my height, I just grab the steering wheel and hop in. Sometimes my mother, who is not terrifically mobile, rides with me and she hauls all her weight on the passenger side handle and I cringe at the flexing I see (she weighs less than you). The 150 doesn't do that. Maybe its the lower height.
This is so opposite of what I've experienced. Our 150 has the 2.7L engine in it; is it possible different engines yield better or worse A/C performance? I also felt like my previous gas Super Duty's put out colder air than my diesel; if you look on the underhood sticker, the gas engine compressor holds more refrigerant than the diesel compressor.
The 2016 Super Duty does not light the basic mirror adjustment control, nor the powerscope controls. The memory switch is not lit (the same exact switch *is* lit on Lincolns). The power pedal switch is not lit. Minor complaints, but more switches being lit makes the vehicle feel more upscale.
There is no doubt in my mind Ford could have done better on the new 150 / SD interior except for the fact that they spent a lot of money on the AL and other mechanical things. I'm curious why you think the A/C vents are over / under sized on the 150? The smallest vents are near the windows. These still have more surface opening area than *any* of the outgoing Super Duty round vents, which are all the same. It makes sense for the middle vents to be the largest, as these direct airflow to the rear of the cab and can be better aimed at the driver, anyway. I'd bet a paycheck the airflow CFM on the new truck is significantly higher than on the outgoing Super Duty.
As for cut lines, I always hated how Ford literally cut the plastic dash top on the Super Duty to install the high-mounted and covered navi system. Ergonomically, its terrific...but I hated seeing the cut lines in the middle of the dash. Anyway, that's my perspective, your perspective may be different. I do like the outgoing Super Duty cab very well, after having 3 trucks in that generation, its a good, very well proven design, and I was always comfortable in it.
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Right now my 15 is a lot better than my 17 since i can drive the 15 and only dream about the 17....someday this to will change.
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Does anyone have the link to the cooled seat fix? i looked on the f150online forum and wasnt able to locate it.
I will say this as a father of two kids in car seats and one facing backwards, and a 90LB dog the larger back seat is very much appreciated. I had a 2013 f150 fx4 and the back seat was perfect and always felt the SD was too small until the new 17's.
It's the main reason I didnt pick up a RAM earlier this year the standard 4 door cab is too small and the stupid extra cab makes the truck as long as a bus!
I will say this as a father of two kids in car seats and one facing backwards, and a 90LB dog the larger back seat is very much appreciated. I had a 2013 f150 fx4 and the back seat was perfect and always felt the SD was too small until the new 17's.
It's the main reason I didnt pick up a RAM earlier this year the standard 4 door cab is too small and the stupid extra cab makes the truck as long as a bus!
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I pulled a 76 hour work week at one job and 10 at the other last week.
I do plenty, but sometimes I sit here and there waiting on other people to get their **** together. Does anyone have the link to the cooled seat fix? i looked on the f150online forum and wasnt able to locate it.
I will say this as a father of two kids in car seats and one facing backwards, and a 90LB dog the larger back seat is very much appreciated. I had a 2013 f150 fx4 and the back seat was perfect and always felt the SD was too small until the new 17's.
It's the main reason I didnt pick up a RAM earlier this year the standard 4 door cab is too small and the stupid extra cab makes the truck as long as a bus!
I will say this as a father of two kids in car seats and one facing backwards, and a 90LB dog the larger back seat is very much appreciated. I had a 2013 f150 fx4 and the back seat was perfect and always felt the SD was too small until the new 17's.
It's the main reason I didnt pick up a RAM earlier this year the standard 4 door cab is too small and the stupid extra cab makes the truck as long as a bus!
As for the Ram, there are four cabs. They are regular, quad cab, crew cab and mega cab. The latter doesn't actually give you anymore room for the back passengers than the crew cab. What it does do is give you some more storage space and allows the rear seats to recline. The quad cab is a squeeze to get into and pretty much is the same as an F-150 SuperCab. The F-150 may require you to open the front doors to access the rear of the cab, but its easier to get in and out of for sure. The Crew Cab isn't bad, but not as roomy as the current F-150, outgoing Super Duty, or the Tundra's CrewMax. The cab doesn't really increase the length of the truck. It just looks that way. The Ram double cab and crew cab trucks have an exact length of 229" each. They are the same. The quad cab simply has more bed and less cab. The mega cab is a different story as those are only available on the Ram 2500HD which has a 6'4" bed in addition to the cab. So it is significantly longer than the 1500's with the quad or crew cabs.
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While at the Detroit Auto Show I compared the leather quality between the 2017 Superduty Platinum and a 2017 F150 Lariat. The Platinum leather is significantly nicer. I'm not sure it is worth the $8K price tag though.
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Nice post. I have some additional thoughts on the subject as a result of it.
The small storage area and under seat storage are vastly superior on the Super Duty. I don't do much riding in the back of trucks, but it only felt like a bit more room to me. None of the passengers I've carried seem to have noticed the difference. When asked, they all said it was "about the same" as the F-150's cab. I know there is more space in the F-150 cab, but I don't think it's a night and day difference. I think the reason why is because outgoing Super Duty cab was really good in this area and the new F-150 is better, but both are adequate. If you were talking about the difference between the outgoing Super Duty cab and the 2013 Chevrolet Avalanche back seats I'd call the difference significant. The F-150's cab vs. the outgoing Super Duty cab is certainly noticeable, I just wouldn't call it significant. That is the difference doesn't add that much to the experience of riding back there and the storage makes up for it as far as I am concerned.
This may be true. I'm 6' and never felt the need to back either one up all the way. I did notice the passenger foot well area had more room due to the transmission bulge. I knew this was the case with the F-150, I do not know if the 2017 Super Duties have this or not. This is why I never brought up that comparison.
Fair enough. I do notice a little less headroom in my F-250, but I chalked that up to having the sun roof. MY F-150 didn't. Taller people may indeed have concerns here. I haven't played with how low or tall the seats can go. I do notice that the seating position of the 2016 SD is higher which is something I like.
I've seen far worse door panels than the outgoing Super Duty has. That said, I do agree that the new ones look better in all trims. However my F-150's didn't feel as solid as they do in the 2016 Super Duty. The door handle on my F-150 creaked quite a bit, especially when my leg was up against it. I hated the creaking so much that anytime I went over a bunch, I'd pull my leg off of it so I never had to hear it. It just felt cheap to me.
For one thing, I'm not a hoarder. I'm not someone who carries a lot of crap in their vehicle that stays in the vehicle on a permanent basis. Aside from a couple items in my center console, (flashlight, some CDs, cleaning cloth for the NAV screen) I have only tow rope, tie downs, jumper cables, ice scraper, work gloves, and some basic tools in the storage area behind the rear seat and in the bin on the passenger side, under the back seat. My glove box contains the manuals and that's about it. I normally carry some napkins in there for emergencies. I didn't even notice that this was smaller than the one in my F-150. I'm not saying your wrong, but is of no concern. Granted, the complaint about lighting is definitely valid.
They are weak out the 2015+ F-150's too. The ones on my F-150 flex just as badly as they do on my Super Duty. My weight may have something to do with it. I don't know. I weigh about 220lbs. I'm not light, but I'm sure many Super Duty owners are heavier than me. Fortunately, I never put the jerking hand on those handles because they'd snap right off.
Aesthetically, I agree with you. In terms of functionality, I couldn't disagree more. My 2015 F-150's air conditioning was no where near as good as it is in my 2016 F-250 with the diesel engine. It was one of the first things I noticed. My F-250 puts out a lot more air and its colder air on top of that.
I had a 2008 F-150 and the leather on that was Ok. It was softer and more supple than what was on my 2015 F-150. The type of leather the F-150's steering wheel has will wear better over time. It's similar to the stuff I had in my 2014 Honda Civic Si. After 30,000 miles it basically looked new. After 15,000 miles it still looked new on the 2015 F-150. On my 2008 F-150, 2002 F-150, 2003 Silverado, and a few other vehicles I started to see wear and that glazing effect on the leather after about 10,000 miles or so. I expect my 2016 Super Duty will do the same. It's softer leather and more supple than what my 2015 F-150 had. The steering wheel controls on the newer trucks are laid out pretty much the same but the buttons are bigger and easier to use. In general I feel the new truck steering wheel is an improvement. So I sort of agree, but the leather feels cheap on the new trucks. It will wear better, but feels worse initially if that makes sense.
The audio system on the new trucks may indeed be better. However, my 2015 F-150 Lariat 501A didn't have the upgraded Sony stereo. My 2016 F-250 Lariat Ultimate does. So between those two trucks the 2016 F-250 SD has better audio than my old truck did. Now, a 2016 F-150 or 2017 Super Duty with the Sony radio might be even better. I don't know. I haven't spent enough time with them to know. Audio isn't a huge deal for me and it's the last thing I really evaluate about any vehicle.
I couldn't disagree more. I had the opposite experience. My 2015 F-150's door handles felt cheap and they creaked when touched. The 2016 F-250's door handles are solid and neither move, nor make noise when grabbed. As for the door sheet metal, I never noticed much difference between my 2008 F-150, 2015 F-150 and 2016 F-250.
There is no doubt about it. The new F-150 cab is quieter than the outgoing Super Duty's. Either are vast improvements over my 2008 F-150 which was noisy by comparison.
This is an area where I felt my 2015 F-150 had my F-250 beat hands down. The ones on my current truck feel cheap as hell. I don't really know about the lighting. I didn't use that feature much if ever. I never have on the new truck. I'm not even sure if it has that to be honest.
I agree with you once again. That said, my 2016 F-250 has most of these lit as well. The only ones that aren't are the moon roof controls.
I have the moon roof on my 2016 F-250, so I only had one spot for sunglasses anyway. My 2015 F-150 was the same.
Agreed.
Completely agree.
I agree. I thought the 2015 F-150 seats were comfortable coming from my 2008 F-150. I noticed right away the outgoing Super Duty was better in this area.
Agreed.
This is something I haven't looked at on the new 2017 SD. When I wrote my comments in that other thread, I did so basing much of my opinions of the new SD interior off what I knew carried over from the 2015+ F-150.
For the most part I agree. Aesthetically, certainly. There are a few areas where I think the new interior takes a form over function approach as it does with things like the lighting controls. Again, panel gap fitment and the areas where like the AC bezels mate to the dash are terrible in the new trucks. They have sharp edges that do not blend together at all. The A/C vents are either undersized, or oversized feeling depending on where they meet the dash. Run your finger over these seams and you'll see. Ford could have done better here. Console plastics are thinner, etc. There are no perfect vehicles, and the new trucks improve more than than they cut back on. That said, I'm still very happy with my 2016 F-250 and don't feel like I lost much switching to it from the F-150. (Speaking of the Interior alone.)
The small storage area and under seat storage are vastly superior on the Super Duty. I don't do much riding in the back of trucks, but it only felt like a bit more room to me. None of the passengers I've carried seem to have noticed the difference. When asked, they all said it was "about the same" as the F-150's cab. I know there is more space in the F-150 cab, but I don't think it's a night and day difference. I think the reason why is because outgoing Super Duty cab was really good in this area and the new F-150 is better, but both are adequate. If you were talking about the difference between the outgoing Super Duty cab and the 2013 Chevrolet Avalanche back seats I'd call the difference significant. The F-150's cab vs. the outgoing Super Duty cab is certainly noticeable, I just wouldn't call it significant. That is the difference doesn't add that much to the experience of riding back there and the storage makes up for it as far as I am concerned.
This may be true. I'm 6' and never felt the need to back either one up all the way. I did notice the passenger foot well area had more room due to the transmission bulge. I knew this was the case with the F-150, I do not know if the 2017 Super Duties have this or not. This is why I never brought up that comparison.
Fair enough. I do notice a little less headroom in my F-250, but I chalked that up to having the sun roof. MY F-150 didn't. Taller people may indeed have concerns here. I haven't played with how low or tall the seats can go. I do notice that the seating position of the 2016 SD is higher which is something I like.
I've seen far worse door panels than the outgoing Super Duty has. That said, I do agree that the new ones look better in all trims. However my F-150's didn't feel as solid as they do in the 2016 Super Duty. The door handle on my F-150 creaked quite a bit, especially when my leg was up against it. I hated the creaking so much that anytime I went over a bunch, I'd pull my leg off of it so I never had to hear it. It just felt cheap to me.
For one thing, I'm not a hoarder.
I'm not someone who carries a lot of crap in their vehicle that stays in the vehicle on a permanent basis. Aside from a couple items in my center console, (flashlight, some CDs, cleaning cloth for the NAV screen) I have only tow rope, tie downs, jumper cables, ice scraper, work gloves, and some basic tools in the storage area behind the rear seat and in the bin on the passenger side, under the back seat. My glove box contains the manuals and that's about it. I normally carry some napkins in there for emergencies. I didn't even notice that this was smaller than the one in my F-150. I'm not saying your wrong, but is of no concern. Granted, the complaint about lighting is definitely valid. They are weak out the 2015+ F-150's too. The ones on my F-150 flex just as badly as they do on my Super Duty. My weight may have something to do with it. I don't know. I weigh about 220lbs. I'm not light, but I'm sure many Super Duty owners are heavier than me. Fortunately, I never put the jerking hand on those handles because they'd snap right off.
Aesthetically, I agree with you. In terms of functionality, I couldn't disagree more. My 2015 F-150's air conditioning was no where near as good as it is in my 2016 F-250 with the diesel engine. It was one of the first things I noticed. My F-250 puts out a lot more air and its colder air on top of that.
I had a 2008 F-150 and the leather on that was Ok. It was softer and more supple than what was on my 2015 F-150. The type of leather the F-150's steering wheel has will wear better over time. It's similar to the stuff I had in my 2014 Honda Civic Si. After 30,000 miles it basically looked new. After 15,000 miles it still looked new on the 2015 F-150. On my 2008 F-150, 2002 F-150, 2003 Silverado, and a few other vehicles I started to see wear and that glazing effect on the leather after about 10,000 miles or so. I expect my 2016 Super Duty will do the same. It's softer leather and more supple than what my 2015 F-150 had. The steering wheel controls on the newer trucks are laid out pretty much the same but the buttons are bigger and easier to use. In general I feel the new truck steering wheel is an improvement. So I sort of agree, but the leather feels cheap on the new trucks. It will wear better, but feels worse initially if that makes sense.
The audio system on the new trucks may indeed be better. However, my 2015 F-150 Lariat 501A didn't have the upgraded Sony stereo. My 2016 F-250 Lariat Ultimate does. So between those two trucks the 2016 F-250 SD has better audio than my old truck did. Now, a 2016 F-150 or 2017 Super Duty with the Sony radio might be even better. I don't know. I haven't spent enough time with them to know. Audio isn't a huge deal for me and it's the last thing I really evaluate about any vehicle.
I couldn't disagree more. I had the opposite experience. My 2015 F-150's door handles felt cheap and they creaked when touched. The 2016 F-250's door handles are solid and neither move, nor make noise when grabbed. As for the door sheet metal, I never noticed much difference between my 2008 F-150, 2015 F-150 and 2016 F-250.
There is no doubt about it. The new F-150 cab is quieter than the outgoing Super Duty's. Either are vast improvements over my 2008 F-150 which was noisy by comparison.
This is an area where I felt my 2015 F-150 had my F-250 beat hands down. The ones on my current truck feel cheap as hell. I don't really know about the lighting. I didn't use that feature much if ever. I never have on the new truck. I'm not even sure if it has that to be honest.
I agree with you once again. That said, my 2016 F-250 has most of these lit as well. The only ones that aren't are the moon roof controls.
I have the moon roof on my 2016 F-250, so I only had one spot for sunglasses anyway. My 2015 F-150 was the same.
Agreed.
Completely agree.
I agree. I thought the 2015 F-150 seats were comfortable coming from my 2008 F-150. I noticed right away the outgoing Super Duty was better in this area.
Agreed.
This is something I haven't looked at on the new 2017 SD. When I wrote my comments in that other thread, I did so basing much of my opinions of the new SD interior off what I knew carried over from the 2015+ F-150.
For the most part I agree. Aesthetically, certainly. There are a few areas where I think the new interior takes a form over function approach as it does with things like the lighting controls. Again, panel gap fitment and the areas where like the AC bezels mate to the dash are terrible in the new trucks. They have sharp edges that do not blend together at all. The A/C vents are either undersized, or oversized feeling depending on where they meet the dash. Run your finger over these seams and you'll see. Ford could have done better here. Console plastics are thinner, etc. There are no perfect vehicles, and the new trucks improve more than than they cut back on. That said, I'm still very happy with my 2016 F-250 and don't feel like I lost much switching to it from the F-150. (Speaking of the Interior alone.)
Spam in your center console items you keep in there you didn't mention a pistol and an AR under your back seat, your going to give Texans a bad name!
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(I do in fact keep a pistol in the center console if one isn't on me. I normally keep a shotgun in that bin rather than an AR-15.) Believe me, I'm quite the gun enthusiast. Before a horrific and unfortunate boating accident, I had about 40 guns or so and in total I've owned more than a 100 in the last two decades.
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How long until Ford makes the push button start system standard on XLT+?
I mean, my $20K 2011 Kia Optima EX had it 5 years ago. Most $20K new cars have it these days. I just don't get it. I also wish they made the $80 clearance lights standard on SDs, but that's for another thread.
I mean, my $20K 2011 Kia Optima EX had it 5 years ago. Most $20K new cars have it these days. I just don't get it. I also wish they made the $80 clearance lights standard on SDs, but that's for another thread.