Waterpump replacement
Methanoholic
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Thank you.
I knew their intent, they work for that, but fall short on lifespan, I just don't know what Ford motors used them or how to determine that before hand.
-Enjoy
fh : )_~
I knew their intent, they work for that, but fall short on lifespan, I just don't know what Ford motors used them or how to determine that before hand.
-Enjoy
fh : )_~
pedant
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From: EXTREME southwest CT
I replaced my water pump on an '86 302 a few years ago. No problem I remember getting bolts out. The big headache was pretty much each bolt is different and there are a lot of them. You need a system to keep them straight. I stuck mine in a foam block for safekeeping, if I remember.
Then I make a slit where each bolt goes through the pump.
I can poke the bolts into the cardboard where they belong.
This eliminates any trial and error putting it back together.
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So I am putting together a parts list let me know what I am missing:
-Timing set looks like there is an option for silent type..how do I know which type to get?
-Waterpump
-balancer repair sleeve
-balancer puller
-waterpump bolt kit
-timing cover bolt kit
-Gaskets
-Might just try and re-use the old timing cover if possible
-Timing set looks like there is an option for silent type..how do I know which type to get?
-Waterpump
-balancer repair sleeve
-balancer puller
-waterpump bolt kit
-timing cover bolt kit
-Gaskets
-Might just try and re-use the old timing cover if possible
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As a guess silent = nylon gear
Me I would go for double roller gear timing set. Any noise it may make you will never hear with everything else moving, spinning, etc. under the hood.
Balancer installer if it is not a puller / installer type.
The big one GASKETS!
Dave ----
Me I would go for double roller gear timing set. Any noise it may make you will never hear with everything else moving, spinning, etc. under the hood.
Balancer installer if it is not a puller / installer type.
The big one GASKETS!
Dave ----
pedant
Joined: Jan 2008
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From: EXTREME southwest CT
So I am putting together a parts list let me know what I am missing:
-Timing set looks like there is an option for silent type..how do I know which type to get?
-Waterpump
-balancer repair sleeve
-balancer puller
-waterpump bolt kit
-timing cover bolt kit
-Gaskets
-Might just try and re-use the old timing cover if possible
-Timing set looks like there is an option for silent type..how do I know which type to get?
-Waterpump
-balancer repair sleeve
-balancer puller
-waterpump bolt kit
-timing cover bolt kit
-Gaskets
-Might just try and re-use the old timing cover if possible
I use Loctite PST for these threads.
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Where can you get bolt kits? I have always gone to the hardware store, I've never really heard of bolt kits for Ford engines, have only seen those for Chevy (and they're generally the chrome kind of thing you find in "performance" stores the general public uses).
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ARP 454-1504 | Buy ARP Timing Cover & Water Pump Kits at JEGS
ARP has several variations available. I just searched "351W water pump bolt kit" and that was one of the first hits.
I can't remember where I got my kit. I think my local NAPA had it.
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So I looked at the reviews for the ARP timing cover/waterpump bolt kits for a 302 on summit racing and every single person said that the bolts were the incorrect length and the kit didn't include enough bolts. Should I be able to find all the necessary bolt lengths at a hardware store?
pedant
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From: EXTREME southwest CT
I used a complete engine kit from a place called 'The Bolt Locker' on eBay.
Almost everything was a good fit.
The things that were wrong: bolts for thin header flanges instead of cast manifolds, no stepped studs for dipstick, coil bracket or heater pipe behind the A.I.R. pump.
This was eight years ago.
I don't think they have a web presence anymore.
Almost everything was a good fit.
The things that were wrong: bolts for thin header flanges instead of cast manifolds, no stepped studs for dipstick, coil bracket or heater pipe behind the A.I.R. pump.
This was eight years ago.
I don't think they have a web presence anymore.
pedant
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So I looked at the reviews for the ARP timing cover/waterpump bolt kits for a 302 on summit racing and every single person said that the bolts were the incorrect length and the kit didn't include enough bolts. Should I be able to find all the necessary bolt lengths at a hardware store?
Most of them, but you may have trouble finding the longest ones.
If buying a kit be aware of which side the waterpump inlet and timing pointer are on.
If buying individual bolts realize that you are better off with corrosion resistance than super strength.
None of these bolts are high torque, critical fasteners, but they are exposed to fluids and clamping dissimilar metals.
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That's why I bought the replacement kit locally. I was able to match up each bolt before purchase. Sorry I don't remember the brand. It's been a couple of years. I'm pretty sure it came from NAPA, but am not positive.
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Yeah, hardware store bolts can sometimes be made to work but you're probably not gonna find the exact same lengths with the same amounts of threaded vs. unthreaded shank.
I would say to go there only if yours are badly corroded and can't be cleaned up and re-used (or if they break upon removal, in which case you have other problems, too).
I would say to go there only if yours are badly corroded and can't be cleaned up and re-used (or if they break upon removal, in which case you have other problems, too).
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When I took the timing cover off and looked at the timing set, the dowel pin was at the 12 o clock position as was the keyway on the crankshaft. The dots on the timing gears were in line but both at the 12 o clock position so this is how I put the new timing set on. Is this correct? I noticed in some videos/pictures that the bottom gear dot should be at 12 o clock and the top dot should be directly above at 6 o clock.