Now that I have ordered the truck and told a few friends ALL of them are saying how stupid I am for not getting a diesel.

The best argument I have seen is resale, now I keep my trucks for about 10 years, so I don't think it will be much of an issue, but now I am wondering.

What say you experts?

 

Since you are paying the money you're the expert. Everybody will have an opinion. you purchased gas so that means somebody else will purchase gas your not alone out there. There will always be a debate between gas and diesel do what's best for you . It seems to me a lot of diesel owners are going to gas now , and who knows what the price of diesel or gas will be in the future you could turn out to be the smartest guy. Stick with your gut.

 

You will pay as much extra for a diesel truck as what you will gain in resale. Put that extra $8,000 in stocks and chances are when you are ready to sell truck your truck in ten years you will be way ahead money wise.

 

The gas trucks will have just fine retail value. I've traded two gas 6.2L trucks...and both times I have done very well on trade-in. I think I will actually do worse on trading in my own 6.7L. More expensive vehicles actually depreciate more.

Look at depreciation as a percentage - let's say in the first year, 15%. Let's say the gas truck was $50k and the diesel truck was $59k, all others things equal. On the gas truck, $7500 is lost. On the diesel truck, $8850 is lost...which means you lose less on the gas.

Of course, this is year one. I think the diesel ends up being worth proportionally more maybe after 4-5 years, because the theory is that a diesel engine lasts longer.

The idea that you "get back" the extra $8500 is not true, however...not in year one, and not even way down the road. You'll get more, of course, but you paid more. As has been said, don't buy a diesel to save money.

 

I am not an expert by any means but I do have strong opinions. I buy diesel trucks because I drove big diesels over the road for several years and the diesel direct injected into my veins. But as far as costs the first diesel options were around $5500 and fuel was $.40 per gallon cheaper but service was substantially higher. The fuel mileage was over 20% better so it did not take much math to calculate a 75,000 mile payback, not counting resale. Things have changed somewhat, but I still have fuel coursing through my veins so I am willing to pay the $8500 more realizing that mileage empty is no longer an issue but power and engine braking are still much better. I won't enjoy the diesel clatter in my new one but I am ready to be a little more stealth. Loaded mileage is still a factor but the higher cost of diesel (compared to reg unleaded) all adds up to personal preference. Even counting the resale I am sure one would have to run up enough miles that the gas engine would require replacement/rebuild before the diesel would pay for the investment. However, one can never put a value on your enjoyment of the vehicle. Do the math for your intended usage. Factor in your level of "desire" and then go get the vehicle you want. I drove a 1990 Ranger for the sake of economy while my daughter was in college. Results were extremely well worth it. But my '01 Super Duty made it a "pleasure to drive again", quoting a good farmer friend who is off in eternally green pastures. BTW he loved his 6.9 F250.

 

Do ALL of your friends drive a newer 6.7 and have experience with the 6.2? I do and think 6.2 is a very smart move especially in a f250. You get the design specific tranny. Towing heavy then maybe diesel makes more sense for most. I've had all the diesels and now the 6.2. When i just ordered my 2017 i ordered gas. I did opt for 4.30 gears too this time.

 

As for resale I feel the up front cost of the 6.7 is made up at trade in so its a wash there. I will say i know far more guys worried about having a newer diesel outside of warranty. I dont hear that about the 6.2 at all. So if you resale at 100k maybe some buyer's will look elsewhere.

 

I will be curious to see how the 4.30 effects your mileage. This will put rpm's up a ways, even with the double OD transmissions. And loaded/haul should put you down a gear or two. An acquaintance used to haul his 24' Grady White 500 miles round trip every weekend with his 6.0 PSD. He found running in OD saved 2 MPG but at the end of the first year he smoked the transmission. Internal indicators of the transmission showed the abuse and his warranty was refused. Nearly a $10,000 cost for 2 mpg savings. Low final drive RPM's don't provide adequate lubrication for heavy hauling. Maybe this is compensated for in the newer specs., it might have been then and he had the wrong gearing/training for the use. After hearing his problem I have always turned off OD when pulling even a slight grade under load. Everything seems much happier, including my peace of mind.

 

Major components of the diesel are 100K warranty. Due to the heavy reliance on technology I elected an extended warranty which will cover most everything on the vehicle 6 years 125K. Does not take much of a repair or two to recover the cost. Like insurance on your house, boat, car, life. Hope you don't have to use it but sleep better knowing it is there.

 

Rasalas - Ford has taken the OD issue away in the Torque Shift tranny, there is no option to lockout OD. The operator can lock out gears which I guess is the same thing, but the truck will also handle that for you if needed on hills. Ford has had very few problems with the new Torque Shift even towing very heavy loads. I would like to hear more about Ford refusing to warranty your friends tranny, if it failed within the warranty period than it should have been repaired by ford no matter the use. Unless he never serviced the tranny or something like that. Interesting statement!!!!!

 

I have perfect faith in these Ford transmissions, and had I ended up with a gas this time, it would absolutely have been with 4.30 gears. Those gears won't tach you up too much, and if for some reason you don't like the RPMs you are turning, then simply install larger tires...effectively reducing gearing. But it won't be an issue. I'm not sure what you mean by adequate lubrication - the transmission?

 

I know the C-6 oil pump was driven off the final drive. When the rpm's drop too low and there is high torque, the transmission has a tendency to run hot and then the fluid starts to scorch. At higher rpm's the fluid circulates faster thus transferring the heat to the radiator faster and better lubricating the internal components. This was explained to me by the fellow who burnt his up as well as a Ford transmission technician who said the transmission is like a report card of one's driving habits.

 

This happened close to 20 years ago and there may have been a service issue or it may have been past mileage. But I remember the truck was about a year old and he was pretty upset at the cost to replace it. Knowing the individual I always figured he bought the first truck of the right color and never read the manual and just drove off to do as he thought best.

The newer transmissions have the tow/haul mode which substantially changes the shift points to keep the RPMs higher and keep the transmission at the correct ratios for the torque being supplied. But, the operator still needs to place it in the tow mode. These advancements are not put on the truck to please the operator. They are there to correctly operate the truck for the specific load without wearing out the rotating parts.

 

Tow/Haul helps the truck with being in lower gears for easier operation while towing. This includes keeping the engine in the meat of the powerband as well as engine braking. I don't think it protects the transmission. I've towed plenty of times without using Tow/Haul mode and the transmission behaved pretty well on its own, and the digital transmission temperature readout never went any higher than usual. Just my opinion.

 

Stop shopping and listening to the naysayers. The 6.2L is a great motor and will be just fine. It'll definitely cost you less to own over 10+ years.