Torqshift-G
Token Redneck
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OR Ford could ditch the twin i-beam and run a single commonized IFS system for 2wd and 4wd similar to what they run the F150s.
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So people really can't wrap their heads around the fact that a tranny with gear ratios and capacity suited to the engine in front of it is all a very positive thing? Gotta say, I'm in awe at the lack of forward thought on this.
Token Redneck
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Why not put the 6R140 into the F150 behind the EB? It's a more heavy-duty transmission right? And the 3.5EB makes more torque than the 6.2 so it probably needs something better than the grocery-getter trans the F150 has now. Probably should just put the 3.5EB in a Super Duty. More torque means it has to be better in the Class 2-3 lineup right?
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I agree. They're matching components instead of taking a one-size-fits-all approach.
Why not put the 6R140 into the F150 behind the EB? It's a more heavy-duty transmission right? And the 3.5EB makes more torque than the 6.2 so it probably needs something better than the grocery-getter trans the F150 has now. Probably should just put the 3.5EB in a Super Duty. More torque means it has to be better in the Class 2-3 lineup right?
Why not put the 6R140 into the F150 behind the EB? It's a more heavy-duty transmission right? And the 3.5EB makes more torque than the 6.2 so it probably needs something better than the grocery-getter trans the F150 has now. Probably should just put the 3.5EB in a Super Duty. More torque means it has to be better in the Class 2-3 lineup right?
Ford has used the 6R80 since 2009 and has good experience and history with it. They know it is holding up to the EcoBoost torque, and they see it probably is also holding up to the even higher power and torque of the Navigator. I think they realize the single greatest advantage to offering the TorqShift-G transmission is the lighter weight. The 6R140 is simply a big, heavy unit.
Cargo Master
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Pretty much. Some people are just in the 'bigger HAS to be better' crowd. That's why we have the only diesel engine available in the Super Duty approaching 1000 ft-lbs of torque and not something sensible like a 4-5L with 600 ft-lbs that would do just nicely.
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Very true. Half of all SD's will never tow close to 10,000 pounds, which is still F150 territory. For those people wanting a bit more towing margin than an F150, the G will be a good option. It should help the thirsty 6.2 get some MPG for fleets too.
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A tool need only be strong enough to do the job intended. That's what we old-timers called being "work wise".
Cargo Master
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Bingo! That's right where I am. My fifth wheel is about 9500 lbs loaded. I don't feel comfortable with an F150, so I drive a Super Duty for the extra margin. I love my diesel, but I would rather have an extra 3-4 MPG instead of an extra 400 ft-lbs of torque.
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But that is neither here nor there. The new transmission is happening, like it or not, and we'll be able to find out first hand soon as some of the forum members will probably buy a truck with this transmission.
Cargo Master
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I'm not sure I could drop down to 460lb-ft as you suggest in exchange for 3-4mpg.
But that is neither here nor there. The new transmission is happening, like it or not, and we'll be able to find out first hand soon as some of the forum members will probably buy a truck with this transmission.
But that is neither here nor there. The new transmission is happening, like it or not, and we'll be able to find out first hand soon as some of the forum members will probably buy a truck with this transmission.
But yes, we will find out details on the new -G tranny soon. Though I feel it will be short-lived as I'm putting money on the 10 speed coming out in the '18 model. That's why I'm waiting for a '19...well, and the hopes of an EcoBoost coming too.
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I'd be very surprised to see the 10-speed in the HD models, except maybe the gas models. I don't believe it was built to handle nearly that much torque; maybe half that as in the Raptor or with GM's 6.2L.
Cargo Master
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I am not sure of the advantage of a ten speed with an engine with as wide a torque range as the PSD produces today. The more the transmission has to shift the more fuel you use and the more wear on the transmission internals. More parts to buy if it self destructs, if it can be repaired at all. Sometimes more is not necessarily better.
Fleet Mechanic
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And those that need more can opt for a F350 or diesel.
Cargo Master
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Precisely!
I am not sure of the advantage of a ten speed with an engine with as wide a torque range as the PSD produces today. The more the transmission has to shift the more fuel you use and the more wear on the transmission internals. More parts to buy if it self destructs, if it can be repaired at all. Sometimes more is not necessarily better.
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From: Lititz, PA
A little bit of searching around and maybe already covered in the earlier pages somewhere regarding the new G tranny....the "6R80" is 6 speeds; Rear-wheel drive; 800 lb. ft. capacity.
The transmission is still WELL within durability and margin for 6.2L engine.
I'm all about "more power", but I guess only to a point. Then it becomes too expensive, inefficient and just absurd. Not to compare Ram, but you can't even get the full-power diesel in their 2500 chassis, can you? I thought it was detuned.
And, an F250 still has the beef where most of us would want it...frame, axles, suspension, brake system, etc. Crawl under an F150 and an F250 and you'll QUICKLY see that the game just drastically changed.
The transmission is still WELL within durability and margin for 6.2L engine.
I'm all about "more power", but I guess only to a point. Then it becomes too expensive, inefficient and just absurd. Not to compare Ram, but you can't even get the full-power diesel in their 2500 chassis, can you? I thought it was detuned.
And, an F250 still has the beef where most of us would want it...frame, axles, suspension, brake system, etc. Crawl under an F150 and an F250 and you'll QUICKLY see that the game just drastically changed.