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Think of an F250 as an 'in-between' truck between and F150 and an F350.
At least, that's my take on it.
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lol.. I know that... I'm talking about the intended difference between the TS, and the new TS-G. In a side by side, with the same 6.2 engine, What's going to be difference between the two transmissions, and what performance differences will we see with the TS-G? I know the specs aren't out yet, but I'm just verifying that they made the TS-G for a sportier, lighter loaded ride? Like, that was what they where shooting for, I take it? I'm often unloaded, and I have the regular TS, and it seems fine to me. So would the TS-G improve the ride somehow, for someone like me?
If they both feel the same, but the TS can just handle more force than the TS-G, than why get the TS-G? ..Unless it's "faster", or shifts better. Or is the TS-G just a cheaper-to-produce downgrade for the lower load f250?
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lol.. I know that... I'm talking about the intended difference between the TS, and the new TS-G. In a side by side, with the same 6.2 engine, What's going to be difference between the two transmissions, and what performance differences will we see with the TS-G? I know the specs aren't out yet, but I'm just verifying that they made the TS-G for a sportier, lighter loaded ride? Like, that was what they where shooting for, I take it? I'm often unloaded, and I have the regular TS, and it seems fine to me. So would the TS-G improve the ride somehow, for someone like me?
If they both feel the same, but the TS can just handle more force than the TS-G, than why get the TS-G? ..Unless it's "faster", or shifts better. Or is the TS-G just a cheaper-to-produce downgrade for the lower load f250?
If they both feel the same, but the TS can just handle more force than the TS-G, than why get the TS-G? ..Unless it's "faster", or shifts better. Or is the TS-G just a cheaper-to-produce downgrade for the lower load f250?
- TS-G will have smoother shifts because it doesn't have to handle the
torque of the 6.7L - TS-G will have smaller, lighter components, increasing fuel economy for the 6.2L
- TS-G will be cheaper to produce, allowing Ford to keep the price down a bit on the F250 gasser, specifically for fleets and work trucks.
- TS-G will be tuned specifically for the gasser, allowing the two to work better together.
It won't improve the smoothness of your ride, just smoother shifts.
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I've often wondered... what is the point of the F250? You lose the overload spring that can help, yet won'thurt anything, a 2" shorter spring block on some, and now with the 6.2, a weaker transmission... why not get an F350? You can even get one derated to the same 10k gvwr if desired (assuming that stays for 2017). If I recall correctly, the current F250 with the camper package is exactly the same truck as the F350 except the emblem and loading sticker.
I also don't understand why the 2 transmissions would necessarily feel any different either. The shift points and firmness are all adjustable by the TCM.
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In-between, but 98% of the way to F350. I don't see anything that would make a F250 act any different than an F350 until you have enough weight on it to hit the overload springs.
I've often wondered... what is the point of the F250? You lose the overload spring that can help, yet won'thurt anything, a 2" shorter spring block on some, and now with the 6.2, a weaker transmission... why not get an F350? You can even get one derated to the same 10k gvwr if desired (assuming that stays for 2017). If I recall correctly, the current F250 with the camper package is exactly the same truck as the F350 except the emblem and loading sticker.
I also don't understand why the 2 transmissions would necessarily feel any different either. The shift points and firmness are all adjustable by the TCM.
I've often wondered... what is the point of the F250? You lose the overload spring that can help, yet won'thurt anything, a 2" shorter spring block on some, and now with the 6.2, a weaker transmission... why not get an F350? You can even get one derated to the same 10k gvwr if desired (assuming that stays for 2017). If I recall correctly, the current F250 with the camper package is exactly the same truck as the F350 except the emblem and loading sticker.
I also don't understand why the 2 transmissions would necessarily feel any different either. The shift points and firmness are all adjustable by the TCM.
In reality, it doesn't matter if the transmission is weaker, as long as it is up to the task. For me, I welcome the change. I only tow about 9500 lbs of fifth wheel, and I don't need something that is capable of towing 18k lbs. I also drive empty more often than I tow, so I want something that's easy to live with when I'm not towing. The F150 just doesn't quite cut it for me, so something a tad more liveable in the SD lineup is what I want. I wanted IFS, but that didn't make the cut.
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. If I recall correctly, the current F250 with the camper package is exactly the same truck as the F350 except the emblem and loading sticker.
Something I'll consider when ordering a 2017.
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I've often wondered... what is the point of the F250
Don't think it is truly enforced but it is in the highway safety regs.
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Personally, I think IFS would have been a welcome addition to the F250. Keep SFA in the F350 for the SFA snobs that don't think a HD pickup can make it with IFS, but add IFS as an option for those of us who use the truck empty 90% of the time and would like a smoother ride, but still need the grunt of a SD to tow a fifth wheel. Having IFS was part of my wish of having a true 'in-between' truck with the F250.
Hopefully the new frame helps out tremendously in the smoother ride department.
Hopefully the new frame helps out tremendously in the smoother ride department.
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Personally, I think IFS would have been a welcome addition to the F250. Keep SFA in the F350 for the SFA snobs that don't think a HD pickup can make it with IFS, but add IFS as an option for those of us who use the truck empty 90% of the time and would like a smoother ride, but still need the grunt of a SD to tow a fifth wheel. Having IFS was part of my wish of having a true 'in-between' truck with the F250.
Hopefully the new frame helps out tremendously in the smoother ride department.
Hopefully the new frame helps out tremendously in the smoother ride department.
My biggest gripes with IFS is that it tends to require more maintenance than a solid axle, which includes increased front tire wear. If you have a plow on the front, the wheel camber changes unless you crank the torsion bars up...then you have to crank them down when the plow is off. IFS tends to lower the front of the truck down, and does not articulate off road like a solid axle. The differential is mounted separately, and now you need to have 2 axles which have CV joints or u-joints on each end - twice what a solid axle has. Ultimate wheel travel is limited by the length of the 2 axle shafts, vs a solid axle which allows nearly unlimited travel. For us truck guys, we tend to like the look and beefiness of the big hunk of steel axle sitting under the truck. I do realize IFS trucks can ride and handle better than those with an axle, but that is not always the case.
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I think the frame will help out a lot in terms of ride quality, although the current frame is fully boxed in the area of the front suspension already.
My biggest gripes with IFS is that it tends to require more maintenance than a solid axle, which includes increased front tire wear. If you have a plow on the front, the wheel camber changes unless you crank the torsion bars up...then you have to crank them down when the plow is off. IFS tends to lower the front of the truck down, and does not articulate off road like a solid axle. The differential is mounted separately, and now you need to have 2 axles which have CV joints or u-joints on each end - twice what a solid axle has. Ultimate wheel travel is limited by the length of the 2 axle shafts, vs a solid axle which allows nearly unlimited travel. For us truck guys, we tend to like the look and beefiness of the big hunk of steel axle sitting under the truck. I do realize IFS trucks can ride and handle better than those with an axle, but that is not always the case.
My biggest gripes with IFS is that it tends to require more maintenance than a solid axle, which includes increased front tire wear. If you have a plow on the front, the wheel camber changes unless you crank the torsion bars up...then you have to crank them down when the plow is off. IFS tends to lower the front of the truck down, and does not articulate off road like a solid axle. The differential is mounted separately, and now you need to have 2 axles which have CV joints or u-joints on each end - twice what a solid axle has. Ultimate wheel travel is limited by the length of the 2 axle shafts, vs a solid axle which allows nearly unlimited travel. For us truck guys, we tend to like the look and beefiness of the big hunk of steel axle sitting under the truck. I do realize IFS trucks can ride and handle better than those with an axle, but that is not always the case.
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That's US DOT regulations. In IL, all trucks over 8,000 GVW must have bi-annual safety inspections. They also require a a class D commercial license plate.
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And for many guys like me, none of that matters. I have 4x4 for snow, and the occasional trip through the field. I don't do any hard core off-roading where the suspension travel of an IFS setup won't work. I don't have a snow plow (that goes on my tractor). That's why I said to leave the SFA on the F350+ for guys who want/need that, but give us sissies an option of IFS.
Many of these Super Duties are sold with the "plow package" because it is cheap. Make sure you don't get this option if you have no intention to plow, because it adds stiffer front springs which will make the truck ride significantly worse.
I'd hate to "dilute" the Super Duty line by offering IFS on these trucks at all. I'm also pretty sure Ford would not put up with two completely different suspension designs.
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I guess if the only advantages of IFS are ride quality and handling, the next question is "can we improve the SFA to match or nearly match IFS?" I think the answer is that it can be improved. Part of the reason for the rough ride is the tremendously heavy, unsprung, Dana 60 front end. If the 250 offered something a little lighter duty, which could drop 150 lbs of unsprung weight, that would make a big difference.
Many of these Super Duties are sold with the "plow package" because it is cheap. Make sure you don't get this option if you have no intention to plow, because it adds stiffer front springs which will make the truck ride significantly worse.
I'd hate to "dilute" the Super Duty line by offering IFS on these trucks at all.
Many of these Super Duties are sold with the "plow package" because it is cheap. Make sure you don't get this option if you have no intention to plow, because it adds stiffer front springs which will make the truck ride significantly worse.
I'd hate to "dilute" the Super Duty line by offering IFS on these trucks at all.
I don't think you are diluting the lineup by offering IFS, you are giving it broader appeal. But, if Ford can make the truck ride better and have better steering feel while keeping the SFA, then I'm OK with it. Honestly, the ride from the front end is the biggest complaint I have with my Super Duty (well, other than the fuel economy and regens of the 6.4L). I have a bit of the death wobble (specifically on a few select corners with a bump in the pavement mid-turn) that I hate (and it scares my wife when she drives it).
I'm sure that's the biggest reason it won't happen.
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Exactly. For the soccer moms who need to drive a super duty pickup, they can get better fuel economy (maybe) and have a weaker tranny on their oversize kid hauler.