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Old Mar 14, 2016 | 07:41 PM
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ECU (possibly) failed on road - help?

(Note: I posted this on another forum as well, trying to get as much info as I can about this while I try to solve it.)

(I think) My ECU suddenly failed while I was driving on the highway - truck started hitching and acting like it wasn't getting fuel. I limped off to the side of the road and the engine just quit entirely. Upon attempting restarts, I found the ECU was no longer priming the fuel rail by running the pump for a split second, no longer firing the injectors regularly and not setting the "okay" code.

So, with the truck sitting by the side of the road, I need some info:

1. How do I remove the ECU from the truck? Specifically, it's a 1989 Bronco 5.0 with AOD, Federal emissions.

2. There is an auto parts store nearby - they offer several ECUs based on codes/part numbers - is there a chart of the ones I can use?
No codes at all. No fuel pump activity at all.

However, I let it sit an hour and came back to it. It spluttered and started up, so letting it cool off seems to have helped.
I'm going to do a little 'shotgun' repair as a replacement *new* distributor is available at that nearby parts store and since the truck *is* damn near 30 years old I'm going to go ahead and just replace it - it certainly wouldn't do it any harm to have a new dizzy and pickup module. Luckily it died near an Acura dealership where one of my friends works as a tech and he can help me drag it the mile or so to his shop and we can work on it. However, any additional input or suggestions on testing would be appreciated.
Anyone have any suggestions?
 
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Old Mar 14, 2016 | 07:49 PM
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Look above the driver side front wheel well. You'll see the PCM (ECU) mounted in a slot in the firewall. Disconnect the wiring harness plug (8 or 10 mm bolt I think) and take off the two nuts or bolts that hold the thing in there, then slide the module out. To get it completely out you might have to take out a few of the bolts holding the plastic wheel well liner in and pull it down a bit to make room.
 
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Old Mar 14, 2016 | 08:13 PM
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Test that pump first! Sounds more like pump failure than ECU failure. Test connector has provision for pump test.
 
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Old Mar 14, 2016 | 09:00 PM
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Test that pump first! Sounds more like pump failure than ECU failure. Test connector has provision for pump test.

x2 ... and if the fuel pump checks out ok then start looking for spark.

parts tossing is the least efficient, and most expensive trouble-shooting method there is.
 
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Old Mar 14, 2016 | 09:40 PM
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Jumpering the fuel pump resulted in the pump running just fine immediately after the incident, so I am inclined to think it's less the pump.

After letting the truck cool off completely and coming back to it, we were able to drive it to my friend's place okay, but the truck started trailer hitching again under moderate to heavy acceleration (which it had started doing a couple days ago). Luckily I was able to get it to his place before it started conking out all the time.
 
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Old Mar 15, 2016 | 09:02 AM
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OP wasn't able to get a system pass code from his PCM. That's a common symptom of PCM failure however from what I've read usually the fuel pump stays running instead of not working at all.

Could also just be faulty wiring or a bad ground point.
 
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Old Mar 15, 2016 | 09:30 AM
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I did not see where he checked the codes.

But it sounds like the computer lost its ground at the NEG post of the battery.

But I have seen on here where the computer has stopped the fuel pumps from running with no injector grounding. This happens when the computer lets out smoke most of the time.
That does not sound like the case here but I would guess a bad computer and I do not think replacing the caps will help this one.
 
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Old Mar 15, 2016 | 11:30 PM
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After limping it back to the shop (nice and quiet since it was after regular hours) I was able to start checking things over. With the truck turned off, I began by starting from basics - running the wiring harness to check for breaks, shorts, etc. When I physically bumped the ECU relay, I heard a sloshing noise and the clicking of other relays. Yup, ECU relay was full of water, which would account for the ECU not displaying codes or illuminating the check engine light when examined right after stalling - it wasn't getting power. The water heating up, flashing to steam and cooling back down would account for it being able to restart after a period of time had passed. Replacing the relay eliminated the stalling issue even after being at full operating temperature for long periods of time.

However, I've still got a 'hitching' or misfire issue occasionally under load/acceleration. Here's a video of it; that's foot flat to the floor once I start accelerating, I'm not letting off through the end of the video.


It occurs to me that despite all the other work I've done with the truck since I got it, I somehow neglected the plugs and wires. I also have a new coil I bought 'just in case' earlier when RockAuto was having a sale. I think I'll do those first and see if it's still there after - should that be the case, any suggestions as to where I should look next?
 
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Just to close this for the archives, the hitching problem turned out to be the low pressure fuel pump in the tank.
 
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