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Old Jun 17, 2015 | 01:38 PM
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Try a good set of jumper cables ground to motor and hot to starter . then hit key . that should cut out wires grounds and connections as problems
Tried that this morning but still same issue. I've pulled the starter out. Nothing obviously wrong with it upon external examination so probably in the windings. I looked into repair/rebuild but the cost was over half of what a new one cost so I punted and went with the new one. The one that's been giving me trouble was rebuilt in the first place I now believe, so maybe poor quality. Also when I shake the bad one there is play in it. You can hear and feel the guts moving a little. The new one is tight. No movement. I'm told with that kind of movement, when it gets hot (after driving) then try to start, the parts can be dragging and binding and causing the sluggish operation we've experienced. So hopefully new, better quality one will do the trick. I'll let you know later today.
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Old Jun 17, 2015 | 01:53 PM
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I would say from years of installing headers at a speed shop you do NOT have a starter/header(exhaust) proximity issue. Many a stock set up is a lot closer than yours. That said heat shields done right are always a good thing. Check you timing (like mentioned) it could have moved slightly over time.

Reading your last post it sounds like you may have had bad armature bushings. Good luck on the new starter install.
 
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Old Jun 17, 2015 | 06:14 PM
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Well...dang it! My son and I installed the new starter and now it cranks better but still won't turn over. Not even close.
 
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Old Jun 17, 2015 | 06:20 PM
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I just tried it again, and now the starter is having a hard time cranking the engine again. I'm starting to worry there is some kind of binding going on in the engine itself somewhere. Hoping praying that is not the case.
 
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Old Jun 17, 2015 | 07:55 PM
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Hey Tyler,
Frustrating... We also have a 351W & were having starting/cranking problems. We tried all sorts of interesting things.
Ended up being a simple problem with the Battery cable ends. We replaced them with heavy duty brass? ones
& now we get enough juice to start right up.

Disregard if this makes no sense.

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Old Jun 17, 2015 | 08:57 PM
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Take the plugs out and disable the ignition, see if the starter spins it easily.
 
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Old Jun 17, 2015 | 10:36 PM
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Originally Posted by ben73058
Hey Tyler,
Frustrating... We also have a 351W & were having starting/cranking problems. We tried all sorts of interesting things.
Ended up being a simple problem with the Battery cable ends. We replaced them with heavy duty brass? ones
& now we get enough juice to start right up.

Disregard if this makes no sense.

Ben in Austin
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yeah it is frustrating. sorry you are having cranking problems too, ben. will look into the battery cable issues...
 
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Old Jun 17, 2015 | 10:37 PM
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Originally Posted by ALBUQ F-1
Take the plugs out and disable the ignition, see if the starter spins it easily.
I'm gonna have to do that. Will try first thing in the morning. t
 
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Old Jun 18, 2015 | 01:12 PM
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FIXED! And I'm an idiot! It was a bad battery all along. I checked my battery voltage and it was at 11.5V. In my ignorance I figured that was enough to start the motor and that was all I needed to check to verify that the battery was good. Now I know different: the battery really oughta be around 13V or so if its taking a charge AND even if its close to 12V that doesn't necessarily mean it is providing enough amperage to crank the engine. I took it over to the local parts store and they checked it. It was providing only about 250 cold cranking amps, even I know that ain't enough. Got a new battery and it starts and runs just fine.

As Forest Gump said, "I'm not a smart man..."

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Old Jun 18, 2015 | 04:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Tyler S
FIXED! And I'm an idiot! It was a bad battery all along. I checked my battery voltage and it was at 11.5V. In my ignorance I figured that was enough to start the motor and that was all I needed to check to verify that the battery was good. Now I know different: the battery really oughta be around 13V or so if its taking a charge AND even if its close to 12V that doesn't necessarily mean it is providing enough amperage to crank the engine. I took it over to the local parts store and they checked it. It was providing only about 250 cold cranking amps, even I know that ain't enough. Got a new battery and it starts and runs just fine.

As Forest Gump said, "I'm not a smart man..."

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Tyler, glad you got it fixed!

This is a good time to remind everyone, when you have electrical problems of any kind.... Check all connections for cleanliness, take it off and check it not just look at it and assume it's good. Check all ground connections, this has bitten many on this board. Make sure your battery is fully charged, as you know this can cause much lost time and money. I would bet good money that doing these things could cure 80-90% of the electrical problems that are mentioned on the board.

Once again glad you got it fixed. Whenever I have a similar case I chalk it up to a learning experience.
 
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Old Jun 18, 2015 | 06:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Rimrock F1
Tyler, glad you got it fixed! This is a good time to remind everyone, when you have electrical problems of any kind.... Check all connections for cleanliness, take it off and check it not just look at it and assume it's good. Check all ground connections, this has bitten many on this board. Make sure your battery is fully charged, as you know this can cause much lost time and money. I would bet good money that doing these things could cure 80-90% of the electrical problems that are mentioned on the board. Once again glad you got it fixed. Whenever I have a similar case I chalk it up to a learning experience.
Yes sir. And in even broader terms: the simplest solution is most often the correct one. 😉
 
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So is the old starter really still good? I suspect you may have dodged a bullet not much further down the road.
 
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Old Jun 19, 2015 | 09:09 AM
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Originally Posted by ALBUQ F-1
So is the old starter really still good? I suspect you may have dodged a bullet not much further down the road.
Ross, I suspect it is still OK, but I'm with you. I'm leaving the new one in cuz I've been suspicious of the old one for quite a while. Although it may have been a weak batt from the get go. Anyway, I'm keeping it around and I'll probably put it in when my new one eventually gives out. We will see.

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