truck will not start
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Tuned
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truck will not start
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A little background, this is an 04, f-350. It sis not start a week ago so I charged the batteries and it started, started fine this morning, (had not driven it for the week) Drove it to work, 35 miles, parked it, and it will not start.
I downloaded Torque and got a few numbers,
HPOP 1900 FMP 48V (repaired last summer) and FVP 11.5V.
Ran out of battery to surf more and look, so I am trying to figure out the app, and the issue with the truck.
it seems toturn over good, until I ran the battery down, and the GP cycles normally, and the injector buzz seems good. Temp is in the 50's here in the Portland Oregon area.
Thanks
Doug
A little background, this is an 04, f-350. It sis not start a week ago so I charged the batteries and it started, started fine this morning, (had not driven it for the week) Drove it to work, 35 miles, parked it, and it will not start.
I downloaded Torque and got a few numbers,
HPOP 1900 FMP 48V (repaired last summer) and FVP 11.5V.
Ran out of battery to surf more and look, so I am trying to figure out the app, and the issue with the truck.
it seems toturn over good, until I ran the battery down, and the GP cycles normally, and the injector buzz seems good. Temp is in the 50's here in the Portland Oregon area.
Thanks
Doug
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The ICP is up on the back of the engine? never had to mess with it. and I am in the work parking lot. What is the best way to get to it?
The FICM is 48V and has been as far as I know. When it was repaired last year he upped it to 48.
The truck seems to spin over, but I could not get a RPM on my app, but that may be me.
The batteries were replace together, but I do not remember when. The truck sits at home most of the time.
The FICM is 48V and has been as far as I know. When it was repaired last year he upped it to 48.
The truck seems to spin over, but I could not get a RPM on my app, but that may be me.
The batteries were replace together, but I do not remember when. The truck sits at home most of the time.
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The ICP is up on the back of the engine? never had to mess with it. and I am in the work parking lot. What is the best way to get to it?
The FICM is 48V and has been as far as I know. When it was repaired last year he upped it to 48.
The truck seems to spin over, but I could not get a RPM on my app, but that may be me.
The batteries were replace together, but I do not remember when. The truck sits at home most of the time.
The FICM is 48V and has been as far as I know. When it was repaired last year he upped it to 48.
The truck seems to spin over, but I could not get a RPM on my app, but that may be me.
The batteries were replace together, but I do not remember when. The truck sits at home most of the time.
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so I looked back at my post from last year. FICM was 17V before repair, and 48 after. So 48 must be the normal. I think I will take the batteries out and have them charged and checked. I think that the engine is spinning fast enough, but I am not sure. I will have to see if I can get engine RPM when I try and start it again tomorrow.what RPM do I need? Also, I found a listing on the app for fuel pressure and battery. maybe they can tell me something?
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Tuned
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would it throw a code for CKP when trying to start? and I assume that is where it is getting the RPM data for the computer.
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The App may have a Fuel Pressure Pid but the truck does not have a factory fuel pressure sensor.
I don't use torque but IIRC you need Torque Pro and the Ford specific values to read the 6.0 correctly. A member Money_pit has several posts on Torque.
Start/run on a 6.0 is a complex process many things can affect it. The tech folder has several good write ups on the subject. Values needed, problems and soloutions. Testing etc. Way more than I can cover in a single post.
I don't use torque but IIRC you need Torque Pro and the Ford specific values to read the 6.0 correctly. A member Money_pit has several posts on Torque.
Start/run on a 6.0 is a complex process many things can affect it. The tech folder has several good write ups on the subject. Values needed, problems and soloutions. Testing etc. Way more than I can cover in a single post.
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OK, I have been searching and not got it running yet.
I do have torque pro, and I believe it is the correct ford stuff. I am getting data for items.
I will continue to look.
I have no codes, untill I removed the batteries and took them in for charge and test. now I have a p1000 and p603. ICP is 1700 if I am using it right, and injector pulse with is 0.
I still have no RPM, And none on the dash. Should it show RPM on the dash when trying to start?
I do have torque pro, and I believe it is the correct ford stuff. I am getting data for items.
I will continue to look.
I have no codes, untill I removed the batteries and took them in for charge and test. now I have a p1000 and p603. ICP is 1700 if I am using it right, and injector pulse with is 0.
I still have no RPM, And none on the dash. Should it show RPM on the dash when trying to start?
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OK, I have been searching and not got it running yet.
I do have torque pro, and I believe it is the correct ford stuff. I am getting data for items.
I will continue to look.
I have no codes, untill I removed the batteries and took them in for charge and test. now I have a p1000 and p603. ICP is 1700 if I am using it right, and injector pulse with is 0.
I still have no RPM, And none on the dash. Should it show RPM on the dash when trying to start?
I do have torque pro, and I believe it is the correct ford stuff. I am getting data for items.
I will continue to look.
I have no codes, untill I removed the batteries and took them in for charge and test. now I have a p1000 and p603. ICP is 1700 if I am using it right, and injector pulse with is 0.
I still have no RPM, And none on the dash. Should it show RPM on the dash when trying to start?
low voltage is no beuno for them,
repeatedly cranking can kill it.
can your hear the injectors buzzing when you turn the key?
1700 ICP while cranking is plenty. thats not your problem. i think it only needs 500 or so to fire.
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Yes the FICM is 48V
HPOP is 1900
Yes I hear the buzz from the injectors
The Glow Plug system cycles normally, (it is about 50 degrees here)
no RPM displayed on dash or torque app (but just downloaded it so do not know if I am using it right)
Just had the batteries charged and tested. Good but in last 1/4 of life, whatever that means
Injector pulse from the app is 0, but That may be due to other things not letting the truck start.
There is about 1/4 tank of fuel.
Truck is nose down slightly,
I read the 5 pages of tech folder no start, and still do not know why. Maybe it is fuel, I have not pulled the top off of the filter yet, and have no pressure gauge to hook up to it.
HPOP is 1900
Yes I hear the buzz from the injectors
The Glow Plug system cycles normally, (it is about 50 degrees here)
no RPM displayed on dash or torque app (but just downloaded it so do not know if I am using it right)
Just had the batteries charged and tested. Good but in last 1/4 of life, whatever that means
Injector pulse from the app is 0, but That may be due to other things not letting the truck start.
There is about 1/4 tank of fuel.
Truck is nose down slightly,
I read the 5 pages of tech folder no start, and still do not know why. Maybe it is fuel, I have not pulled the top off of the filter yet, and have no pressure gauge to hook up to it.
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Yes the FICM is 48V
HPOP is 1900
Yes I hear the buzz from the injectors
The Glow Plug system cycles normally, (it is about 50 degrees here)
no RPM displayed on dash or torque app (but just downloaded it so do not know if I am using it right)
Just had the batteries charged and tested. Good but in last 1/4 of life, whatever that means
Injector pulse from the app is 0, but That may be due to other things not letting the truck start.
There is about 1/4 tank of fuel.
Truck is nose down slightly,
I read the 5 pages of tech folder no start, and still do not know why. Maybe it is fuel, I have not pulled the top off of the filter yet, and have no pressure gauge to hook up to it.
HPOP is 1900
Yes I hear the buzz from the injectors
The Glow Plug system cycles normally, (it is about 50 degrees here)
no RPM displayed on dash or torque app (but just downloaded it so do not know if I am using it right)
Just had the batteries charged and tested. Good but in last 1/4 of life, whatever that means
Injector pulse from the app is 0, but That may be due to other things not letting the truck start.
There is about 1/4 tank of fuel.
Truck is nose down slightly,
I read the 5 pages of tech folder no start, and still do not know why. Maybe it is fuel, I have not pulled the top off of the filter yet, and have no pressure gauge to hook up to it.
hasn't happened to me but i have read about it.
i would take the secondary fuel filter lid off for sure to see if there is anything in there..
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I just read on another place, that if the batteries are less than 11.5V they will stop the fuel system.
If the batteries wer charged, and tested ok, but 1/4 life left. could it still be the batteries? I can not crank that long on the full charge.
If the batteries wer charged, and tested ok, but 1/4 life left. could it still be the batteries? I can not crank that long on the full charge.
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i would think that it has enough juice to spin the motor over like normal it should fire off too. (as far as the batteries go)
you could try a little ether in the intake while cranking but not much.
woudnt take long to pull the secondary fuel filter cap. then just have to put a little oil back on the gasket before putting it back on.
can you hear you fuel pump with key on engine off?
should be a tiny bit of noise right under drivers seat, frame rail.
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Yes the FICM is 48V
HPOP is 1900
Yes I hear the buzz from the injectors
The Glow Plug system cycles normally, (it is about 50 degrees here)
no RPM displayed on dash or torque app (but just downloaded it so do not know if I am using it right)
Just had the batteries charged and tested. Good but in last 1/4 of life, whatever that means
Injector pulse from the app is 0, but That may be due to other things not letting the truck start.
There is about 1/4 tank of fuel.
Truck is nose down slightly,
I read the 5 pages of tech folder no start, and still do not know why. Maybe it is fuel, I have not pulled the top off of the filter yet, and have no pressure gauge to hook up to it.
HPOP is 1900
Yes I hear the buzz from the injectors
The Glow Plug system cycles normally, (it is about 50 degrees here)
no RPM displayed on dash or torque app (but just downloaded it so do not know if I am using it right)
Just had the batteries charged and tested. Good but in last 1/4 of life, whatever that means
Injector pulse from the app is 0, but That may be due to other things not letting the truck start.
There is about 1/4 tank of fuel.
Truck is nose down slightly,
I read the 5 pages of tech folder no start, and still do not know why. Maybe it is fuel, I have not pulled the top off of the filter yet, and have no pressure gauge to hook up to it.