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Looking to buy a F450 C&C with the 200" WB. Ford shows if at 300 HP and 660 ft lbs of torque. Is there any way to boost this up to at least 400 HP. I am currently pulling with a F250. Not sure how I feel about bigger truck less power. Going to the 450 because I need the long wheel base. Any suggestions.
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You don't make mention of model years in your question. That being said, I had asked the same question a while back and it was pointed out to me that if you pay attention to the HP/TQ ratings between the 250/350 trucks in relation to the 450 and up that the ratings are taken and posted at different RPMs. It has something to do with truck classification ratings.
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You don't make mention of model years in your question. That being said, I had asked the same question a while back and it was pointed out to me that if you pay attention to the HP/TQ ratings between the 250/350 trucks in relation to the 450 and up that the ratings are taken and posted at different RPMs. It has something to do with truck classification ratings.
Your thinking of the gas engine rating between the 150 and 250. This case is different. The 300/660 rating is real and but only the chassis cab trucks. Ford figures they will be worked 100% of the time and more likely to fail if given the full 440/860 that us weekend warrior pickup owners get. FYI: The 350 chassis cab is also de-rated to 300/660.
So, to the OP, are you looking at a pickup or CC? If your after a pickup then you are just looking at the wrong specs and will get the numbers you want from the get go...
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Your thinking of the gas engine rating between the 150 and 250. This case is different. The 300/660 rating is real and but only the chassis cab trucks. Ford figures they will be worked 100% of the time and more likely to fail if given the full 440/860 that us weekend warrior pickup owners get.
So, to the OP, are you looking at a pickup or CC? If your after a pickup then you are just looking at the wrong specs and will get the numbers you want from the get go...
So, to the OP, are you looking at a pickup or CC? If your after a pickup then you are just looking at the wrong specs and will get the numbers you want from the get go...
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Ah, I missed the 200" part. Well, looks like it's time to switch to a toyhauler 5th wheel and put the bike in the back. Then you can have the full HP pickup version. Kind of like having your cake and eating it too...LOL 
I know it doesn't answer your question.... but it's all I got. If your shopping new trucks, I sure would hate to get a CC based on the load. I'd rather get a pickup and adjust the load to make it work. But that's just me. I'm sure someone here will have the answer if it's just a tune difference or whether parts are involved. I'm betting on both but again, not sure.
Off topic but, I tow over 18k with two bikes in the back of my hauler. My lowly SRW 350 does the job well.
I know it doesn't answer your question.... but it's all I got. If your shopping new trucks, I sure would hate to get a CC based on the load. I'd rather get a pickup and adjust the load to make it work. But that's just me. I'm sure someone here will have the answer if it's just a tune difference or whether parts are involved. I'm betting on both but again, not sure. Off topic but, I tow over 18k with two bikes in the back of my hauler. My lowly SRW 350 does the job well.
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Some of the confusion here between the CC and pickup ratings is true. The CC trucks are hp/tq rated at the flywheel, the pickups are rated at the tires/dyno.
I could be wrong but it's something like that. Yes, the CC is less power but it's not as drastic as it appears on the surface.
My concern with the CC truck would be the rear end gearing. They tend to be very low, like 4.55 or something, which will return low mpg and also make it feel much more powerful.
Again, I'm just giving my opinion and prob am slightly off but checking the facts on hp ratings and rear gears will help you decide.
I could be wrong but it's something like that. Yes, the CC is less power but it's not as drastic as it appears on the surface.
My concern with the CC truck would be the rear end gearing. They tend to be very low, like 4.55 or something, which will return low mpg and also make it feel much more powerful.
Again, I'm just giving my opinion and prob am slightly off but checking the facts on hp ratings and rear gears will help you decide.
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Ah, I missed the 200" part. Well, looks like it's time to switch to a toyhauler 5th wheel and put the bike in the back. Then you can have the full HP pickup version. Kind of like having your cake and eating it too...LOL I know it doesn't answer your question.... but it's all I got. If your shopping new trucks, I sure would hate to get a CC based on the load. I'd rather get a pickup and adjust the load to make it work. But that's just me. I'm sure someone here will have the answer if it's just a tune difference or whether parts are involved. I'm betting on both but again, not sure.
Off topic but, I tow over 18k with two bikes in the back of my hauler. My lowly SRW 350 does the job well.
I know it doesn't answer your question.... but it's all I got. If your shopping new trucks, I sure would hate to get a CC based on the load. I'd rather get a pickup and adjust the load to make it work. But that's just me. I'm sure someone here will have the answer if it's just a tune difference or whether parts are involved. I'm betting on both but again, not sure. Off topic but, I tow over 18k with two bikes in the back of my hauler. My lowly SRW 350 does the job well.
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Ah, it sure does! So, what is your plan for the bike after the 5ver is hooked up? You having a custom bed made to hold the bike and your hitch?
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Yes. Shop down in Texas is going to build the bed to fit my loader. This is my best solution . Don't want to pull a trailer behind the 5er
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Sounds like a real cool setup. Will love to see it when you get it done! I think a tuner will really wake up a CC truck too.
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I have a 2011 CC F350 dually with 4.10 rearend. I had an aluminum bed made for mine and I pull a 34' 5er. I don't know what the rig weighs but have plenty of power to do what I want.
I know your dilemma as I also have a Valkyrie and Road King. We looked at all the options, trailer behind the 5er and toy hauler. In the end I just do without the bikes while in California.
I have seen basically what you are talking about: However the pulling truck was a full blown semi tractor, with side load hydraulic cycle system and a huge Teton 5er in tow.
Perhaps your idea would be fine, probably plenty of power to have the bike and pull the 5er. I don't know how the HP ratings are taken on the two different 450's. I think different turbos, and ECM settings are part of the difference.
I know none of this answers your question, but I do understand your desire to have "all your toys" with you. I'd be interested in your final decision, keep us informed.
I know your dilemma as I also have a Valkyrie and Road King. We looked at all the options, trailer behind the 5er and toy hauler. In the end I just do without the bikes while in California.
I have seen basically what you are talking about: However the pulling truck was a full blown semi tractor, with side load hydraulic cycle system and a huge Teton 5er in tow.
Perhaps your idea would be fine, probably plenty of power to have the bike and pull the 5er. I don't know how the HP ratings are taken on the two different 450's. I think different turbos, and ECM settings are part of the difference.
I know none of this answers your question, but I do understand your desire to have "all your toys" with you. I'd be interested in your final decision, keep us informed.
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Some of the confusion here between the CC and pickup ratings is true. The CC trucks are hp/tq rated at the flywheel, the pickups are rated at the tires/dyno.
I could be wrong but it's something like that. Yes, the CC is less power but it's not as drastic as it appears on the surface.
My concern with the CC truck would be the rear end gearing. They tend to be very low, like 4.55 or something, which will return low mpg and also make it feel much more powerful.
Again, I'm just giving my opinion and prob am slightly off but checking the facts on hp ratings and rear gears will help you decide.
I could be wrong but it's something like that. Yes, the CC is less power but it's not as drastic as it appears on the surface.
My concern with the CC truck would be the rear end gearing. They tend to be very low, like 4.55 or something, which will return low mpg and also make it feel much more powerful.
Again, I'm just giving my opinion and prob am slightly off but checking the facts on hp ratings and rear gears will help you decide.
Both HP/TQ for the pickups and CC trucks are rated at the flywheel. In my experience, the CC trucks are slugs compared to the pickups. The lower gearing does help.
Unless they updated the turbo on the CC trucks, I would be concerned about turning up the power on one.
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Well I like my slug chassis cab. I don't drive over 60 mph and my 5er isn't terribly heavy. You may be exactly right, I don't have any experience with the pickup version of the 6.7. All I know is I don't have a need for more HP or torque, but if you do that sure is the way to go. It's nice we have a choice. I bet the pickups are wonderfully powerful.
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Big difference between the two 6.7's which begs the question as to how do they achieve the lower power rating? Generally when they drop hp/tq its done thru intake restrictions and some timing adjustments. But not sure how they would do it on a diesel.
Gears are a force multiplier, my John Deere is only about 26 or 28 HP and it will do some amazing work, especially with the backhoe, but its all done thru torque multiplication thru some very low gears.
Gears are a force multiplier, my John Deere is only about 26 or 28 HP and it will do some amazing work, especially with the backhoe, but its all done thru torque multiplication thru some very low gears.
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Big difference between the two 6.7's which begs the question as to how do they achieve the lower power rating? Generally when they drop hp/tq its done thru intake restrictions and some timing adjustments. But not sure how they would do it on a diesel.
Gears are a force multiplier, my John Deere is only about 26 or 28 HP and it will do some amazing work, especially with the backhoe, but its all done thru torque multiplication thru some very low gears.
Gears are a force multiplier, my John Deere is only about 26 or 28 HP and it will do some amazing work, especially with the backhoe, but its all done thru torque multiplication thru some very low gears.
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