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Old Mar 31, 2015 | 08:03 AM
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352 timing cover balancer question

I have a 66 F350 2wd 352.I have a new 390 coming for this truck and see possible issues. Last night I noticed that the stock balancer seems to have the pulleys on it. I was aware that I would need the timing cover to utilize the front engine mount but I am worried that the new 390 and pulleys wont line up correctly. In general I want to use the stock pulleys and timing cover c/w new balancer with the new 390. Anything to be aware of?
 
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Old Mar 31, 2015 | 04:04 PM
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candoo - the "front mount" you refer to is what?

Generally the FE motors all have similar timing covers and the crank snout is the same length (at least between the 352 and 390) - so you should have no problems reinstalling these parts onto the 390 from the 352. Where you'd run into problems is if you had pulley and brackets from another car you were adapting to the truck, or vice versa.

My 66 had a PS adapted to it from a t-bird (according to papers I found in the truck) and they had machined 3 spacers to get the PS pulley to align with the added crank pulley. Either that, or they were always needed and were misplaced. May have been the t-bird crank pulley/dampener had 2 grooves in it already - I don't know. But as you can see from this image they spaced the PS brackets out almost exactly the distance in the lower crank grooves.



Good luck though!
 
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Old Apr 1, 2015 | 08:23 AM
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007, Candoo has an F-350.
The engine mounts differently than in a car or our light duty trucks - there are no side mounts.
One large mount is the very front, a cast iron timing cover (I think) and a cast iron bracket that bolts the snout of the engine to the frame. In essence, the front timing cover holds the front of the engine up.
The rear mounts are on the bellhousing.

His concern is that there may be a slight offset of the pulleys that will interfere with front mount - at least I think that is his concern.
 
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Old Apr 1, 2015 | 08:34 AM
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Yes the 352 mounts in the front via the timing cover. Timing cover is deeper to accomadate the four lower mounting points. I am concerned that my NEW 390 from a car will have issues with pullys. I have not pulled the 352 yet but the snout spacer "seems" to be longer than the car one on the 390. Hopefully i am just inventing issues and all will be well. I plan to use the truck timing cover and pulleys with a new balancer.
 
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Old Apr 1, 2015 | 08:53 AM
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Can you post the VIN? That might answer a question on my part for your sake as well.
I am hoping you have an FE motor instead of an FT motor in there.
I attempted to help a guy out by swapping a car 390 into an F-450 with a bad FT 361 many years ago. We couldn't get it to work easily, partly because the FT snout is larger than the FE, and there were some other things.
Hopefully it will work out.
 
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Old Apr 1, 2015 | 09:10 AM
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F35Y is an F350 with a 2 bbl carburetor 352 V8 - an FE motor, not an FT motor.
I think you will be OK.
 
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Thanks, pulling the 352 in the next week or so....all will be revealed
 
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Banjo said: 007, Candoo has an F-350. The engine mounts differently than in a car or our light duty trucks - there are no side mounts.
Ah - understand now. I wasn't aware of that difference.

I bet you will find the crank spacer is different length. It is the part that rides on the timing cover seal and the shorter one from the normal truck would probably be wrong for that. I can't imagine the cranks being different for LD pickup compared to the F350, but peripheral items would most-likely pass over from motor to motor. One would hope anyway. Having the two side-by-side will, as you say, reveal all.
 
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Originally Posted by DoubleOh7
I bet you will find the crank spacer is different length.

1958/76 FE: There's only ONE spacer!

B8AZ-6359-A .. FE Crankshaft Spacer ALL: 1958/71 332/352/361(1958 Edsel)/390/406/410/427/428 Passenger Cars / 1965/76 F100/350 352/360/390.

> > 1965 F100/250 4WD 240/300/352 - 1965/66 F350 240/300/352 - 1966 F250 240/300/352 4WD: These use a similar engine mounting system as 1961/64 F100/350 223/292. < <

C3AZ-6312-E .. Single Sheave Harmonic Balancer: 1960/67 352/390/410/428 Ford/Merc Passenger Cars & 1965/67 F100/350 352.

FoMoCo offered single, double and triple sheave accessory outer pulleys that bolt to the balancer (3 bolts thru 1967) to add P/S and/or A/C.
 
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Old Apr 1, 2015 | 02:58 PM
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N/D Bill - I always scratch my head when you add emoticons next to our quoted comments. So really, I guess what you are trying to tell me is: You will loose that bet you are making.

Bummer! Good thing I didn't put money on it.



That said, what would you have to offer candoo as to what he should expect considering the timing cover is different? Is this apparent timing cover difference still accounted for with the -all the same length- spacer? They do seem very long and I suspect could account for a variety of timing cover depths. And if so, does this also mean the water pump is the same (height-wise, not specifically) for his F350 and my F100 - considering this is where all the alt and PS bracket mounting hardware bolts to? If so, this means the timing cover depth is inconsequential to his concern and there is space enough between the cover and the back of the water pump.

Yes/No?
 
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Look at upper parts catalog pic.

OP will have to use the existing 352 timing cover* (gasket/seal same 1958/76 all), bell housing, engine brackets & rubber insulators with the 390.

FE water pump with alternator same: 1963/64 Thunderbird, 1965/76 all.

Outer accessory pulleys will be the same 1960/67, use 3 mounting bolts to balancer. 1968/76 360/390 balancer uses 4 bolts for the outer accessory pulleys.

These can be used as a complete set on 1960/67's.

*C4TZ-6019-D .. Timing Cover: 1964/72 F500/750 330 2V Medium Duty FT - 1965 F100/250 352 4WD - 1965/66 F350 352 - 1966 F250 352 4WD
 
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