Notices
1967 - 1972 F-100 & Larger F-Series Trucks Discuss the Bumpsides Ford Truck

Big Ol' Engine Swap

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Jan 19, 2015 | 04:50 AM
  #31  
jowilker's Avatar
jowilker
Fleet Owner
25 Year Member
Joined: Jun 1999
Posts: 24,552
Likes: 74
From: Creedmoor, North Carolina
Club FTE Silver Member

Originally Posted by f100today
I pretty much take that as you are calling me a liar. I'm not sure why I care? Gimme a few months; Ill have it on the road. You can then shove that little shaky head, well, you know where.
Bub, I aint calling you nothing. I have been around these trucks since they were new, they are rolling brick bats that won't get those mpgs being pulled on a trailer behind a Ecoboost.

Believe me I would love to see an affordable kit out there to make these ol boys run 30 mpgs. That will make someone very wealthy.


John
 
Reply
Old Jan 29, 2015 | 11:42 PM
  #32  
Musicman909's Avatar
Musicman909
Thread Starter
|
New User
Joined: Jan 2015
Posts: 5
Likes: 0
Random (O/t) question...How long is the 390 with a C-4? (total physical length)




Told you it was random.
 
Reply
Old Jan 31, 2015 | 09:05 PM
  #33  
1972RedNeck's Avatar
1972RedNeck
Logistics Pro
10 Year Member
Joined: Feb 2011
Posts: 3,522
Likes: 11
From: Townsend, MT
Originally Posted by Ford_Six
As far as 7.3 vs the almighty 12valve, IMO the 7.3 IDI is the superior engine. Wider rpm range, higher power stock before you even get to the turbo upgrade, smoother and quieter operation, and it still takes one wire to make it run. It starts much easier with glow plugs, of course, but that's just another pair of wires to the battery. The 12valve has a heater grid in the intake.
I love it. We are always comparing "stock of the same year". What's a turbo upgrade going to cost? New, it will be over $2000. To get the stock Cummins to the same power level, bump the timing and turn the fuel screw a smidge. Guess what the result is? Similar power at similar costs.

Which gets better mileage? Cummins

Which is known for cavitation problems? IDI

Which is known for needing a new injection system every 100,000 miles? IDI

Which one does the manufacturer say can start at 15*F with no aid of any sort? Cummins

Now say that you have an extra $1000 to throw at performance. Which one is going to be able to get to 400 HP? Cummins

You can have your "flat torque curve". I'll just stick with a torque curve that is much higher - even if it isn't flat.
 
Reply
Old Jan 31, 2015 | 09:11 PM
  #34  
1972RedNeck's Avatar
1972RedNeck
Logistics Pro
10 Year Member
Joined: Feb 2011
Posts: 3,522
Likes: 11
From: Townsend, MT
Originally Posted by jowilker
Believe me I would love to see an affordable kit out there to make these ol boys run 30 mpgs. That will make someone very wealthy.


John
I think 30 MPG is very attainable. Affordable - not so much.

Originally Posted by crazed87bronco
Would be bad a** to pull up beside a 12v'r and beat him with your 4bt. That shines out a lot more IMO.
Yup. Feels good to beat a 5.9 CR.
 
Reply
Old Feb 1, 2015 | 08:00 AM
  #35  
f100today's Avatar
f100today
Posting Guru
10 Year Member
Photogenic
Photoriffic
Shutterbug
Joined: Jul 2011
Posts: 1,650
Likes: 16
From: DFW Texas
Originally Posted by 1972RedNeck
I think 30 MPG is very attainable.

And I WILL show it can be done.

Affordable - not so much.

Actually, I will have roughly 3800 in my engine (4BT with compounds and fuel pin/gov spring), and BUILT OD tranny.


Yup. Feels good to beat a 5.9 CR.
I'm really curious what my combo will feel like.
 
Reply
Old Feb 1, 2015 | 08:53 AM
  #36  
crazed87bronco's Avatar
crazed87bronco
Logistics Pro
Joined: Nov 2003
Posts: 4,371
Likes: 7
From: PA
The power to weight ratio with a built 4BT will surely astonish you. Not to mention all the shaved weight then going with a 6BT will make it handle even better. I'm curious how your truck will feel in the corners with the MII setup.
 
Reply
Old Feb 1, 2015 | 09:23 AM
  #37  
f100today's Avatar
f100today
Posting Guru
10 Year Member
Photogenic
Photoriffic
Shutterbug
Joined: Jul 2011
Posts: 1,650
Likes: 16
From: DFW Texas
Originally Posted by crazed87bronco
The power to weight ratio with a built 4BT will surely astonish you. Not to mention all the shaved weight then going with a 6BT will make it handle even better. I'm curious how your truck will feel in the corners with the MII setup.
While I have really stiff springs in the front (700lb) I have not added a sway bar yet. I'm sure it will badly need one but that is the very last thing on my list. I want to get it running and driving first.
 
Reply
Old Feb 2, 2015 | 08:09 AM
  #38  
1972RedNeck's Avatar
1972RedNeck
Logistics Pro
10 Year Member
Joined: Feb 2011
Posts: 3,522
Likes: 11
From: Townsend, MT
I fueled up last night and used 29.5 gallons in 659 miles.

Calcs out to about 22.3 MPG mixed highway driving (80 MPH) and running around the big city of Helena.
 
Reply
FTE Stories

Ford Trucks for Ford Truck Enthusiasts

story-0

Top 10 Most Expensive Ford Trucks Ever Sold on Bring a Trailer

 Joe Kucinski
story-1

2027 Ford Super Duty Buyer's Guide (Every Model, Engine, & Package)

 Brett Foote
story-2

Top 10 Ford Truck Tragedies

 Joe Kucinski
story-3

AEV FXL Super Duty - the Super Duty Raptor Ford Doesn't Make

 Brett Foote
story-4

Lobo Vs Lobo: Proof the F-150 Lobo Should Be Even Lower!

 Michael S. Palmer
story-5

Ford's 2001 Explorer Sportsman Concept Looks For a New Home

 Verdad Gallardo
story-6

10 Best Ford Truck Engines We Miss the Most!

 Joe Kucinski
story-7

2026 Shelby F-150 Off-Road: Better Than a Raptor R?

 Brett Foote
story-8

2027 Super Duty Carhartt Package First Look: 12 Things You NEED to Know!

 Michael S. Palmer
story-9

10 Most Surprising 2026 Ford Truck Features!

 Joe Kucinski
Old Feb 2, 2015 | 08:26 AM
  #39  
f100today's Avatar
f100today
Posting Guru
10 Year Member
Photogenic
Photoriffic
Shutterbug
Joined: Jul 2011
Posts: 1,650
Likes: 16
From: DFW Texas
Originally Posted by 1972RedNeck
I fueled up last night and used 29.5 gallons in 659 miles.

Calcs out to about 22.3 MPG mixed highway driving (80 MPH) and running around the big city of Helena.
Please remind us of your combo. Tranny, rear gear, tire size, any mods to the engine? Know the weight of your truck?
 
Reply
Old Feb 2, 2015 | 12:17 PM
  #40  
crazed87bronco's Avatar
crazed87bronco
Logistics Pro
Joined: Nov 2003
Posts: 4,371
Likes: 7
From: PA
I think I decided on i'm going to yank out the 12v in my 71 project. And go a different route hehehe.
 
Reply
Old Feb 2, 2015 | 06:08 PM
  #41  
1972RedNeck's Avatar
1972RedNeck
Logistics Pro
10 Year Member
Joined: Feb 2011
Posts: 3,522
Likes: 11
From: Townsend, MT
Originally Posted by f100today
Please remind us of your combo. Tranny, rear gear, tire size, any mods to the engine? Know the weight of your truck?
E40D, 3.54's, 31.5" tires, maxed fuel pump, 5x12 injectors, bumped timing, timing spacer, M2 fuel pin, HX30W turbo over a H1C turbo with a 60mm compressor upgrade.

I think the truck weighs about 7,800 pounds - that might be my other truck though - I'll weigh it tonight when I go through town.
 
Reply
Old Feb 2, 2015 | 10:13 PM
  #42  
1972RedNeck's Avatar
1972RedNeck
Logistics Pro
10 Year Member
Joined: Feb 2011
Posts: 3,522
Likes: 11
From: Townsend, MT
Originally Posted by 1972RedNeck
I think the truck weighs about 7,800 pounds - that might be my other truck though - I'll weigh it tonight when I go through town.
7,500 pounds full of fuel.
 
Reply
Old Feb 3, 2015 | 05:15 AM
  #43  
f100today's Avatar
f100today
Posting Guru
10 Year Member
Photogenic
Photoriffic
Shutterbug
Joined: Jul 2011
Posts: 1,650
Likes: 16
From: DFW Texas
Originally Posted by 1972RedNeck
7,500 pounds full of fuel.
Right on! Impressive mileage from such a big rig. Bump that mph down to 70 and I bet you would be knocking on 25 mpg. My truck will only weigh 4000 lbs with a 31.5 inch tall tire and a 3.25 gear and a lower overall vehicle profile. Looks like It will easily get 30 mpg to me. Lol
 
Reply
Old Feb 3, 2015 | 06:52 AM
  #44  
1972RedNeck's Avatar
1972RedNeck
Logistics Pro
10 Year Member
Joined: Feb 2011
Posts: 3,522
Likes: 11
From: Townsend, MT
Originally Posted by f100today
Bump that mph down to 70 and I bet you would be knocking on 25 mpg.
I been caught doing a steady 70 mph only once in my life - in a 45 mph zone.
 
Reply
Old Feb 3, 2015 | 08:05 AM
  #45  
trozei's Avatar
trozei
Postmaster
Joined: Nov 2012
Posts: 2,806
Likes: 8
From: Langley, BC
Originally Posted by Musicman909
Ok....why? (details?)
What about the new 6.7 PS?
The 6.7L is a fantastic engine and claimed to be the best Powerstroke since the 7.3L and you can make some wicked power out of it, but it's new and therefore expensive. It all depends on where you want to go with it.

If you're on more of a budget, Cummins.
 
Reply



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 01:34 PM.

story-0
Top 10 Most Expensive Ford Trucks Ever Sold on Bring a Trailer

Slideshow: 10 most expensive Ford trucks ever sold on Bring a Trailer.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-05-27 16:24:34


VIEW MORE
story-1
2027 Ford Super Duty Buyer's Guide (Every Model, Engine, & Package)

Here's everything that has changed for the latest model year.

By Brett Foote | 2026-05-27 16:17:28


VIEW MORE
story-2
Top 10 Ford Truck Tragedies

Slideshow: Top 10 Ford truck tragedies.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-05-18 19:34:33


VIEW MORE
story-3
AEV FXL Super Duty - the Super Duty Raptor Ford Doesn't Make

And it might be even better than that.

By Brett Foote | 2026-05-18 19:26:42


VIEW MORE
story-4
Lobo Vs Lobo: Proof the F-150 Lobo Should Be Even Lower!

Slideshow: Does lowering an F-150 Lobo RUIN the ride quality?

By Michael S. Palmer | 2026-05-18 19:20:37


VIEW MORE
story-5
Ford's 2001 Explorer Sportsman Concept Looks For a New Home

Slideshow: Ford's bizarre fishing-themed Explorer concept has resurfaced after spending decades largely forgotten.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-05-12 18:07:46


VIEW MORE
story-6
10 Best Ford Truck Engines We Miss the Most!

Slideshow: The 10 best Ford truck engines we miss the most.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-05-12 13:09:47


VIEW MORE
story-7
2026 Shelby F-150 Off-Road: Better Than a Raptor R?

Slideshow: first look at the 810 hp 2026 Shelby F-150 Off-Road!

By Brett Foote | 2026-05-12 12:50:07


VIEW MORE
story-8
2027 Super Duty Carhartt Package First Look: 12 Things You NEED to Know!

Slideshow: Everything You Need to Know about the 2027 Super Duty Carhartt Package!

By Michael S. Palmer | 2026-05-07 17:51:06


VIEW MORE
story-9
10 Most Surprising 2026 Ford Truck Features!

Slideshow: 10 most surprising Ford truck options/features in 2026.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-05-05 11:17:22


VIEW MORE