Add or Delete?
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Add or Delete?
2013 6.7L with 18k miles. What's the smart thing to do if my goal is to keep this truck 20 years or 350k miles: buy Flood Ford's ESP w/ Diesel Care for about $5k or just do a total emissions delete when it's out of warranty? What are the pros/cons to each? I'm military--am I hosed if I move to California if j do a delete it am I covered if I'm an Alaska resident and the truck is tagged in AK?
Appreciate your thoughts...
Appreciate your thoughts...
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From: Western MA
Wow, I can't even be sure I'll still be alive in 20 years, never mind want the same vehicle that long! A lofty goal for sure and one that can't be assured success through either option you posted. If you are still on the 6.7 section of the board in 20 years you'll be a huge exception and not the rule. I'm sure over 99% of 20 year old truck owners aren't the original buyer...
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From: Watson
Heh, in your shoes, I'd delete it once it's passed the 5yr/ 100k powertrain warranty. For a couple reasons:
You've got a '13, so far they're a little less "temperamental" than the 11/12s, afaik...
Also, it doesn't appear you "need" to make this decision anytime soon, you're averaging 9k/yr mileage. You'll run out of 5yrs in 2018 well before you get that 100k outta the way.
Lastly, if the truck and you are still AK registered residents, you shouldn't fall under Ca inspection requirements, but don't quote me on that....
You've got a '13, so far they're a little less "temperamental" than the 11/12s, afaik...
Also, it doesn't appear you "need" to make this decision anytime soon, you're averaging 9k/yr mileage. You'll run out of 5yrs in 2018 well before you get that 100k outta the way.
Lastly, if the truck and you are still AK registered residents, you shouldn't fall under Ca inspection requirements, but don't quote me on that....
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Heh, in your shoes, I'd delete it once it's passed the 5yr/ 100k powertrain warranty. For a couple reasons:
You've got a '13, so far they're a little less "temperamental" than the 11/12s, afaik...
Also, it doesn't appear you "need" to make this decision anytime soon, you're averaging 9k/yr mileage. You'll run out of 5yrs in 2018 well before you get that 100k outta the way.
Lastly, if the truck and you are still AK registered residents, you shouldn't fall under Ca inspection requirements, but don't quote me on that....
You've got a '13, so far they're a little less "temperamental" than the 11/12s, afaik...
Also, it doesn't appear you "need" to make this decision anytime soon, you're averaging 9k/yr mileage. You'll run out of 5yrs in 2018 well before you get that 100k outta the way.
Lastly, if the truck and you are still AK registered residents, you shouldn't fall under Ca inspection requirements, but don't quote me on that....
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Here in alaska too.
If you keep alaksa tags you will be good to do full delete. I've deleted all my trucks while in the military. I also have kept alaska tags on all my trucks for 20 plus years. Never a problem out of state. If you do a full delete just keep all the parts to return if you ever sell the truck. I also have the ESP no issues so far from the dealership.
If you keep alaksa tags you will be good to do full delete. I've deleted all my trucks while in the military. I also have kept alaska tags on all my trucks for 20 plus years. Never a problem out of state. If you do a full delete just keep all the parts to return if you ever sell the truck. I also have the ESP no issues so far from the dealership.
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Regarding the AK residency/CA vehicle operation.
I wouldn't assume that you are protected from ca vehicle laws with your ak plates.
Here's why: diesel tractors (over the road semi tractors like a Kenworth) are not even allowed in the CA state border if they do not have a dpf system. They may also require SCR system too. Doesn't matter what state they are registered in, who is driving it, who owns it, or why it is crossing the border.
If they can enforce this law in CA then they can easily apply that law to POV's. I'm not saying that it's true or that you would be okay, but I am saying that the laws currently on the books there certainly point in the direction you don't want to go.
I wouldn't assume that you are protected from ca vehicle laws with your ak plates.
Here's why: diesel tractors (over the road semi tractors like a Kenworth) are not even allowed in the CA state border if they do not have a dpf system. They may also require SCR system too. Doesn't matter what state they are registered in, who is driving it, who owns it, or why it is crossing the border.
If they can enforce this law in CA then they can easily apply that law to POV's. I'm not saying that it's true or that you would be okay, but I am saying that the laws currently on the books there certainly point in the direction you don't want to go.
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From: Middle Tn.
If you move to Ca. and try to register a deleted truck it will fail. If you try to trade it in, we just got the wife a new car, you now have to sign a declaration that the smog equipment has not been removed, tampered with and is, to your knowledge, fully functional. If your here for more than 30 days, residency, and get pulled over you can get cited for not having the vehicle registered. The cop will ask, esp CHP's.
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Being military you'll have to pass CA emissions tests to get it registered to drive on base. Sucks but Commiefornia is a terrible state to live in when it comes to modified vehicles.
If you delete just keep all your stuff so you can reverse it if stationed in CA. Easy enough to spend a day putting it all back on.
If you delete just keep all your stuff so you can reverse it if stationed in CA. Easy enough to spend a day putting it all back on.
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Will a tuner allow me to have the emissions stuff "on" to be EPA-compliant and then "off" to bypass or not monitor the DPF, DEF, etc? Even if a tuner doesn't monitor the DPF, won't it eventually clog (choke) with soot?
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From: Middle Tn.
If any am equipment pertaining to the emissions is not CARB certified you fail. If it modifies engine performance it falls into this category.
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From: Pflugerville, tx
so, IF you take off the DPF then you must disable the failsafe.
if you DON'T take off the DPF, there is not a lot a tuner can do.
you could add a little power, but don't save any fuel, don't avoid regens..
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