they are available from a few obsolete vendors.
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Thanks to the FTE archives I think I have a handle on what aftermarket parts to look for to finish this brake job. The OEM hubs are unobtanium and this is a real problem. The answer is to press the old hubs into new drums.
Or thought I did. Ordered Raybestos 1644R and the boltholes measure 5/8ths! The drums I have use 1/2 stud bolts. Anybody have a good part # for Wagner or whoever? I saw a couple drums with two sets of stud holes but there are also issues with fitment due to drum thickness.
For that matter if anyone has a couple 64 hubs they would care to sell. Thanks!
Or thought I did. Ordered Raybestos 1644R and the boltholes measure 5/8ths! The drums I have use 1/2 stud bolts. Anybody have a good part # for Wagner or whoever? I saw a couple drums with two sets of stud holes but there are also issues with fitment due to drum thickness.
For that matter if anyone has a couple 64 hubs they would care to sell. Thanks!
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I do not know if this will help, but it might. If I remember correctly, it worked for me many years ago when I had to use later studs on my '66 front hubs, ones that did not swage onto the drum. (I am assuming your '64 hubs are the same as my '66.)
Up to '66 (possibly a little later?) the drums were centered on the studs, which required the swaging. Later drums used the large center hole to be centered on a rim of the hub.
Is it possible your aftermarket drums are designed to be centered in the later fashion rather than with swaged studs?
Hope this helps.
John
Up to '66 (possibly a little later?) the drums were centered on the studs, which required the swaging. Later drums used the large center hole to be centered on a rim of the hub.
Is it possible your aftermarket drums are designed to be centered in the later fashion rather than with swaged studs?
Hope this helps.
John
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So, you're saying those drums will work with the correct studs. Since the studs must be replaced anyway, I'll keep that in mind.
However - IF the hub AND drum assembly are the same as 66, THEN, I might have a solution by purchasing a couple complete hub and drum assemblies affectionately known as C6TZ-1102A ; they are available from a few obsolete vendors.
However - IF the hub AND drum assembly are the same as 66, THEN, I might have a solution by purchasing a couple complete hub and drum assemblies affectionately known as C6TZ-1102A ; they are available from a few obsolete vendors.
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I think your drums might work with either type of stud, those that are swaged into the drum (up to '66 or so) and those that are not, as in the late '60s and '70s.
The key will be if your Raybestos drums will center themselves on the hub without being swaged onto the studs. The best way to know this is to test fit the drum to your hub.
I hope this makes better sense.
John
The key will be if your Raybestos drums will center themselves on the hub without being swaged onto the studs. The best way to know this is to test fit the drum to your hub.
I hope this makes better sense.
John
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What you want is C6TZ-1102-B .. Hub & Drum = 1964/67 F100 2WD.
If you look at your other thread, you'll see I listed C6TZ-1102-B
Left: Econoline application for this C6TZ-1102-A hub & drum is parts list 2 while 1964/66 F100 2WD C6TZ-1102-B is parts list 4
Right: Parts lists 2 & 4.
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Hey Bill - the correct part # is seared by now I tell ya, into my brain. But a vendor is selling the "A" version as the correct ones for a '66 F100.
In other news, drum brakes really suck trying to put back together. They came apart real easy like, ha ha.
In other news, drum brakes really suck trying to put back together. They came apart real easy like, ha ha.
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ALL 1964/67 E100's have 10" x 2 1/2" front brakes, while 1957/67 F100's have 11" x 2" front brakes. So, how the hell can one use a 10" drum on an F100?
Some people assume that because the 3rd digit in the part numbers prefix contains a T .. it's a truck part. But some Bronco's and Econolines also have a T.
For an example, awhile back someone posted a link to an ebay ad. The clueless ebay seller listed this part for a 1966 F100/350: C6TZ-18813-A .. Antenna Kit = But, this antenna ONLY fits 1966/77 Bronco's!
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I'm about to "blow apart" a '65 F-100 chassis and have drums/hubs, whatever you need. Let me know if you're still looking...ehershkowitz@Hotmail.com.
I'm about to "blow apart" a '65 F-100 chassis and have drums/hubs, whatever you need. Let me know if you're still looking...ehershkowitz@Hotmail.com.
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I think your drums might work with either type of stud, those that are swaged into the drum (up to '66 or so) and those that are not, as in the late '60s and '70s. The key will be if your Raybestos drums will center themselves on the hub without being swaged onto the studs. The best way to know this is to test fit the drum to your hub. I hope this makes better sense. John
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Thanks! Will do. Going to talk with some folks later today who can do the work and see what they say.
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Your troubles have made me decide to look for a spare set of hubs for my 64. Even with the disc brake conversion, you reuse the old hubs.
Are the hubs 64-65-66 only? Or do any 64+ F100 front drum brake hubs work? What about pre 64?
Are the hubs 64-65-66 only? Or do any 64+ F100 front drum brake hubs work? What about pre 64?
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Not familiar enough with the various models to say. Someone familiar with all the different axles might. Don't let my ramblings worry ya too much. It would be handy to have a drum and hub assembly put up ready to go, that's what I was up to, or maybe find new old stock somewhere.
As a practical matter today it's just a matter of spindle size and bolt pattern. Lots of things could be made to work. For all that the hubs could be machined.
As a practical matter today it's just a matter of spindle size and bolt pattern. Lots of things could be made to work. For all that the hubs could be machined.
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Your troubles have made me decide to look for a spare set of hubs for my 64. Even with the disc brake conversion, you reuse the old hubs. 
Where in the hell did you come up with this jazz? It's incorrect.
Are the hubs 64-65-67 only? Or do any 64+ F100 front drum brake hubs work? What about pre 64?
Where in the hell did you come up with this jazz? It's incorrect.
Are the hubs 64-65-67 only? Or do any 64+ F100 front drum brake hubs work? What about pre 64?
So how the hell could you use the original drum brake hub since it's located behind the drum?
1961/63 F100 front drums and hubs are different than 1964/67 F100. 1968/72 F100's have 11" x 3" front brakes, so the drums are different.
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There are disc brake conversions that use the original hub like the ScareBird conversion.
Speedway sells a complete disc brake conversion that uses F150 rotors/hub and GM calipers.
There is more than one way to put disc brakes on a F100 of any year, some ways are all Ford parts, some are not.
In some areas of the country, pre 1980 F100/F150 parts are getting hard to come by. Around here, when one of those trucks hits the salvage yard it gets picked clean in no time.
I was pulling a header panel off a 63 in the pick-n-pull, a guy walked up and offered me $25 to walk away and let him pull it.
Speedway sells a complete disc brake conversion that uses F150 rotors/hub and GM calipers.
There is more than one way to put disc brakes on a F100 of any year, some ways are all Ford parts, some are not.
In some areas of the country, pre 1980 F100/F150 parts are getting hard to come by. Around here, when one of those trucks hits the salvage yard it gets picked clean in no time.
I was pulling a header panel off a 63 in the pick-n-pull, a guy walked up and offered me $25 to walk away and let him pull it.
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