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It's come to that point that I need to order the transmission and engine for my '54 build in order to get things wrapped up. I've sent the company an email hoping they'll respond, but I figured it would be best to ask here too.
So I'm looking at these (and it's what my custom chassis is configured for):
My question is somewhat open ended - what other parts should I also order to ensure completeness/compatibility. I know the bellhousing and clutch are obvious ones.
My rear end is 3.50.
do I need to order the power steering and AC kit (I will be using the vintage air setup for AC).
Any and all thoughts welcome (looking at you AxRacer as I believe I had read somewhere you went with a very similar setup)!
Sorry, My belly button wears a bow tie! (I have a CSB 400 engine with the T56). I know next to nothing about the coyote engine. except it's huge and the oil filter is in the way on most installs, you may likely need a remote filter relocation kit. My T56 has the .5 6th gear and 3.7 rear axle. With the 3.5 rear, you will be barely above idle at 55 in 6th depending on tire size. Do you have electronic digital speedometer, tach? T 56 does not have a mechanical cable drive. There are adapters to run a mechanical speedo, but they are more expensive than a new gauge.
All good to know and excellent info to ask the sales person about! Thanks for the input!
I can easily go for the .63 version of the T-56. The tire size will most likely be 18"
Being huge - do you know why and is it larger than the old pushrod type?
Wheel size is not as important as tire outside diameter. and type of driving you'll be doing. Depending on aspect ratio, tread width, the diameter can vary quite a lot. I'd suggest going onto a site like www.tirerack.com and choosing a tire brand/type/size you would like use and check the spec sheet to find the diameter of the tire. Next google rpm speed calculators and find one that you can plug in rear axle ratio, transmission high gear ratio, tire diameter, either speed or rpm desired and solve for the other to see what speed your truck will go or what RPM it will be running at a given speed. If you will be doing mostly high speed expressway driving and want good gas mileage I'd want the 0.5 6th and about 2000 -2500 RPMs at 65 MPH so look for a tire that will give you that. If the size needed isn't practical or desirable (or available, tire manufacturers have been cutting back the tire sizes they offer in the larger wheel diameters, especially in HP tires) i.e. ultra low AR rubber band tires or tall sidewall truck mud tires then you might want the 0.63 6th tranny, if you will be doing a lot of racing or hauling then you again might want the 0.63 6th. Think of it this way: the 0.63 is a close ratio 5 speed with OD. The 0.5 tranny is a wide ratio 4 speed with a choice of 2 ODs Around town you'll be doing a lot of shifting with the 0.63 box. With my .5 tranny and 3.70 rear in my panel I drove it cross country at mostly 80+, the engine was as happy as a clam and I got 27 28 MPG. Unless I was planning on a lot of road racing/drag racing I'd opt for the 0.5 6th. Nothing says you have to always shift out of 5th , and you're still in 0.63 OD in 5th. The coyote is a HP/torque monster and will tend to burn the rear tires off with the .63 tranny.
The Coyote is large because 4 cams in the heads plus all the variable valve timing mechanics large ports etc need a lot of room so the heads are larger than the old Chrysler Hemi heads. Hot rod magazine had a similar dimension chart to Ross's but comparing the Coyote to the Hemi and a couple other popular engines. Note the oil filter location in Ross's drawing. Even if it clears the frame there may not be enough room to screw it on and off.
All good to know and excellent info to ask the sales person about! Thanks for the input!
I can easily go for the .63 version of the T-56. The tire size will most likely be 18"
Being huge - do you know why and is it larger than the old pushrod type?
The coyote will fit your truck with ease. The filter will clear the frame but may contact the PS hoses. There is a Ford 90 degree kit for the filter, I have not seen one. There are also remote filter options.
I see your motor mounts are on the cross member, this is about 4" further forward than on my 52 so that may solve the oil filter problem but cause radiator interference.
My coyote is mounted 1/2" in front of the stock firewall and the front of the engine is further back than the Flathead was. I am installing the radiator in the 6 cylinder position and the stock air intake just contacts the back of the radiator. I will build a new intake for more clearance.
I have a tremec tko with a .63 overdrive, 3.50 gears and am planning 29" tall tires Aprox 2000 RPM at 78 MPH.
Hey Jerry,
cool project. I'm not far from you in Encinitas. If you want to use my wheels for fitment, maybe it'd help you.
Mine has similar power / torque though I went the dark side route installing an L92 / 6L80 from a 2008+ Escalade. 405 horse, 6.2L aluminum engine and 6 speed auto box in my 1951 F1. BTW - I have a 3.50 rear end ratio with a .67 6th gear in the 6L80. I would prefer a higher final drive ratio for highway cruising. At 70mph, I'm above 2k rpm with the low profile tires (275/35/18). As such, I'd probably go with the .5 6th gear.
I have the super ride II upfront and a 9" with a triangulated 4 link and coil overs.
We can meet up at Cars n coffee one day, perhaps. I was just there last SAT AM.
One day, I'd like to check your project out in person.
I will have to update my build thread as I have plenty more pics of the progress. Currently the chassis is in pieces to get it powder coated. I had wanted to wait till I got the engine and transmission to ensure they fully fit (it was custom built by TCI) and if they didn't to have TCI do any adjustments, but I didn't want to hold up the rest of the project - someone else is doing most/all of my body work and he's been making great progress on that end! I figure if I can order the engine and tranny here soon I can ensure it fits, get it off to get powder coated, then get the body parts all hung.
BTW - on your recent questions, a front engine accessory package makes sense to ensure compatibility. Does it come with wiring harness and ECU? How about a compatible fuel pump - I used an external Bosch 044 pump from a Mercedes Benz?
I saw the narrow headers / exhaust manifold as an option. The frame rails are rather narrow and the truck manifolds wouldn't clear my frame on the LS swap I did (I used corvette manifolds instead). Do they have any schematics showing dimensions so you can try to figure out if they would clear the inside of your frame rails?
If you can return items, perhaps you should buy the oil filter relocation kit and then you have it on hand if you need it when you check clearances?
forgive my lack of organized commenting...
BTW - I have a 3.50 rear end ratio with a .67 6th gear in the 6L80. I would prefer a higher final drive ratio for highway cruising. At 70mph, I'm above 2k rpm with the low profile tires (275/35/18). As such, I'd probably go with the .5 6th gear like AX suggested.
I've considered install a 3.0 rear gear. Probably not worth the hassle, but if I was optimizing from the start, I'd have done that. The late model corvette with same trans uses 2.73 with similar tire size to mine.
I was definitely gonna go with the .5 after reading his advice. As I have the Kugel rear-end, I'm not sure I can easily swap out the ratios back there - probably can, but i don't reckon it's cheap to do so!
Hey Jerry,
cool project. I'm not far from you in Encinitas. If you want to use my wheels for fitment, maybe it'd help you.
Mine has similar power / torque though I went the dark side route installing an L92 / 6L80 from a 2008+ Escalade. 405 horse, 6.2L aluminum engine and 6 speed auto box in my 1951 F1. BTW - I have a 3.50 rear end ratio with a .67 6th gear in the 6L80. I would prefer a higher final drive ratio for highway cruising. At 70mph, I'm above 2k rpm with the low profile tires (275/35/18). As such, I'd probably go with the .5 6th gear.
I have the super ride II upfront and a 9" with a triangulated 4 link and coil overs.
We can meet up at Cars n coffee one day, perhaps. I was just there last SAT AM.
One day, I'd like to check your project out in person.
cheers,
Doug
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If you are giving tours...I would like to look at the TCI chassis & krugel IRS that you've put together as we are starting our build right now & looking at several options. We live in Newport Beach.
It looks like your build is progressing nicely
You guys are more than welcome to come look - like I said, I've taken it apart but all the parts are still in my garage. I figured it wouldn't be hard to keep it up on jacks and verify that the motor and transmission align well before getting it off to the powder coater. The couple of local ones I've talked to have said it should only take a day or two to get everything done and back to me!
Hi Jerry,
Thanks for the nice comments. My build is based on a modified stock frame. The modifications are boxing the frame in about 1/2 of the sections (near IFS and rear adjacent to triangulated four link install I did). In those boxed sections, I added several additional large crossmembers 3"x3".
The IFS was Superride II from Heidt's and the triangulated four link of my own design using components purchased from Welder-Series and Ford 9" live axle that came with my truck and then double adjustable coilovers I spec'd and purchased from Viking (founders left QA1 to make try to build their own brand and products).
Glad to offer a tour if you are interested. I should have it back from upholstery in a week or so. I'm excited to be nearing the finish line. I've learned a lot having done everything myself (except the upholstery) and perhaps some of that would be helpful to you?
