Starter going bad?
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I agree the cranking speed difference was night and day! Somewhere I have the spec sheet, but no doubt a nice benefit!
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I put the new starter on this morning, the top bolt is a PITA but now the spins over so fast I can't believe it!
I also cleaned the EGR valve, idles so much better and seems to have more power.
I also cleaned the EGR valve, idles so much better and seems to have more power.
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From: Spanaway
The top bole can be a PITA bit if you have a set of extensions
that are the right length and a fine toothed short handle ratchet
you can get the job done easily. One other thing would be a
magnet in the socket to hold the bolt. If you drop it behind the
starter a magnet fish tool comes in handy.
Sean
that are the right length and a fine toothed short handle ratchet
you can get the job done easily. One other thing would be a
magnet in the socket to hold the bolt. If you drop it behind the
starter a magnet fish tool comes in handy.
Sean
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The top bole can be a PITA bit if you have a set of extensions
that are the right length and a fine toothed short handle ratchet
you can get the job done easily. One other thing would be a
magnet in the socket to hold the bolt. If you drop it behind the
starter a magnet fish tool comes in handy.
Sean
that are the right length and a fine toothed short handle ratchet
you can get the job done easily. One other thing would be a
magnet in the socket to hold the bolt. If you drop it behind the
starter a magnet fish tool comes in handy.
Sean
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From: Spanaway
You would be getting the stock Ford starter not the NAPA one.
Sean
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All this talk about starters, guess what happened today?
Go to start the mighty 6.0, turn the key: "click"
The Napa starter actually turns the engine over too fast for a compression test on the IDS. How the test works: is that it measures compression while cranking and preventing the engine from starting.
The test will start, but it will fail because the engine is turning too fast. I know it sounds weird, but we did the test on npcpartsman's truck and that's what happened.
I'm taking mine to a local rebuilder close to work, hopefully they can get me fixed up same day.
Go to start the mighty 6.0, turn the key: "click"
The Napa starter actually turns the engine over too fast for a compression test on the IDS. How the test works: is that it measures compression while cranking and preventing the engine from starting.
The test will start, but it will fail because the engine is turning too fast. I know it sounds weird, but we did the test on npcpartsman's truck and that's what happened.
I'm taking mine to a local rebuilder close to work, hopefully they can get me fixed up same day.
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From: Spanaway
It tests by measure the acceleration and deceleration of the
crankshaft tone ring as each piston comes up during the
compression stroke. If it's spinning too fast then it can't
make the measurement. It's basically looking at time and speed.
With a starter turning too fast it can't compensate for the speed
with the algorithm that it uses.
Sean
crankshaft tone ring as each piston comes up during the
compression stroke. If it's spinning too fast then it can't
make the measurement. It's basically looking at time and speed.
With a starter turning too fast it can't compensate for the speed
with the algorithm that it uses.
Sean
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Well there it is, much clearer and better explained.
As it turned out, my starter was in perfect shape. It was one of the few filthy parts left on my truck from Amarillo. So the starter got cleaned and reinstalled but still nothing.
It then occurred to me that the solenoid was doing it's job, but the rest of the starter wasn't. I reach to check the cable from the battery to the starter and find the cable.....separated.
Long and short of it, when I did the cable upgrade, I spliced into the existing 2/0 cable going down to the starter. It had separated from the splice connector I used. Fixed it and my truck started like it should....
Missed not having my truck for a day....
As it turned out, my starter was in perfect shape. It was one of the few filthy parts left on my truck from Amarillo. So the starter got cleaned and reinstalled but still nothing.
It then occurred to me that the solenoid was doing it's job, but the rest of the starter wasn't. I reach to check the cable from the battery to the starter and find the cable.....separated.
Long and short of it, when I did the cable upgrade, I spliced into the existing 2/0 cable going down to the starter. It had separated from the splice connector I used. Fixed it and my truck started like it should....
Missed not having my truck for a day....
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