Crew cab + super cab+ 10ft bed
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Kyle, first, please add a signature so we can see what you're driving/working on/project truck. It helps when I start off on some random topic or so I can remember you better.
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What front axle are you going to use that's stronger than a d60... I mean I have rock wells and marmon Herrington axles, but they really aren't street friendly as you think.
As far as rear axle strength, a d60 rear, especially two of them, will do just fine. And a ford 10.25/10.5 is arguably the same strength as a d80, and it's lighter. A corporate 14bolt surpasses both those axles probably, but they are getting hard to find in my area.
Anyway, why would you attempt taking this gargantuan beast off road. I go trail riding in my. 87 f250 with plow gear on, but it has 40s on it. My 89 sclb has 8" lift and 40s, and it's a blast off-road. Maybe ill mod that one for twin axles...
(Can see that off-road in one of my YouTube vids. Just find the longest video of it. The 4 short ones were combined )
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What front axle are you going to use that's stronger than a d60... I mean I have rock wells and marmon Herrington axles, but they really aren't street friendly as you think.
As far as rear axle strength, a d60 rear, especially two of them, will do just fine. And a ford 10.25/10.5 is arguably the same strength as a d80, and it's lighter. A corporate 14bolt surpasses both those axles probably, but they are getting hard to find in my area.
Anyway, why would you attempt taking this gargantuan beast off road. I go trail riding in my. 87 f250 with plow gear on, but it has 40s on it. My 89 sclb has 8" lift and 40s, and it's a blast off-road. Maybe ill mod that one for twin axles...
(Can see that off-road in one of my YouTube vids. Just find the longest video of it. The 4 short ones were combined )
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As far as dually, I'm sure it will work fine, but rear payload would be less because of rigidity and strength of the spindle.
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I would think it would be a worthy tradeoff. Without the rear steer there would be so many places you would find yourself doing 7-12 point turns. Wasn't quite sure how rear steer was accomplished because at the moment in more interested in hotrodding around on the street than rock crawling (as there are few rocks in Kansas)
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Refer to the end of post 31...
I think if you can figure out a linear actuator and some sort of controller on the steering column, then adjust it for throw so that if you only want slight turning vs max turning.
I think if you can figure out a linear actuator and some sort of controller on the steering column, then adjust it for throw so that if you only want slight turning vs max turning.
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I'm planning on using two d60s or maybe two disk brake 10.5s and then offset the pumpkins so the driveshaft can get over the first rear axle. Then a backwards divorce mount np205. I need to play with an np203 again, the full time center diff may work in my favor if I can power the rear output as the new input and it still works correctly.
Just gotta try it sometime.
Just gotta try it sometime.
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I don't think there is enough room to put transfer case between the axles
I had thought about if the thrust of powering it backwards would wear the bearings or gears. Maybe I'll take it apart and check it out.
I was thinking about either trying to come up with twin 4link setups with coils or airbags, or depending on how far I need to space out the axles, find some short springs, or mount one set of normal springs inboard of the frame.
I'm most concerned about the rear axle driveshaft getting hit by the axle tube of the front one. Again, depending on the spacing, I may put a steady bearing on top of the front axle, or run the shaft high with steady bearing and drop it down steep like a shortbed lifted truck would have it. Won't know until I do it. Or find/make one of those pinion offset gearboxes...
Major hyjack of the original topic.
Back to 4door supercab extended bed...
How about extend the frame of a van and put a pickup bed on the back. Then convert to 4x4. Sounds like a redneck limo to me.
I say build the truck you want, but I think a 10' bed is more than needed unless you really wanted a truck box and 8' of space.
I had thought about if the thrust of powering it backwards would wear the bearings or gears. Maybe I'll take it apart and check it out.
I was thinking about either trying to come up with twin 4link setups with coils or airbags, or depending on how far I need to space out the axles, find some short springs, or mount one set of normal springs inboard of the frame.
I'm most concerned about the rear axle driveshaft getting hit by the axle tube of the front one. Again, depending on the spacing, I may put a steady bearing on top of the front axle, or run the shaft high with steady bearing and drop it down steep like a shortbed lifted truck would have it. Won't know until I do it. Or find/make one of those pinion offset gearboxes...
Major hyjack of the original topic.
Back to 4door supercab extended bed...
How about extend the frame of a van and put a pickup bed on the back. Then convert to 4x4. Sounds like a redneck limo to me.
I say build the truck you want, but I think a 10' bed is more than needed unless you really wanted a truck box and 8' of space.
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They did, my buddy's neighbor has one. I guess it looks OK, just not my thing.
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Kyle, first, please add a signature so we can see what you're driving/working on/project truck. It helps when I start off on some random topic or so I can remember you better. Second What front axle are you going to use that's stronger than a d60... I mean I have rock wells and marmon Herrington axles, but they really aren't street friendly as you think. As far as rear axle strength, a d60 rear, especially two of them, will do just fine. And a ford 10.25/10.5 is arguably the same strength as a d80, and it's lighter. A corporate 14bolt surpasses both those axles probably, but they are getting hard to find in my area. Anyway, why would you attempt taking this gargantuan beast off road. I go trail riding in my. 87 f250 with plow gear on, but it has 40s on it. My 89 sclb has 8" lift and 40s, and it's a blast off-road. Maybe ill mod that one for twin axles... (Can see that off-road in one of my YouTube vids. Just find the longest video of it. The 4 short ones were combined )
On that note I drive a 91 f250 351w mostly stock in the future I plan on getting a f350 and the current truck will become the doner Or parts truck
And when I say trail riding I'm speaking on the trails in the planes of the northern slope of Alaska for a dream road/camping trip
From there I was under the impression the Dana 80 was a more heavy duty type axle but I my be misunderstanding what the Dana 60-70-80 are best used for so please enlighten me
Such as what is a 10.25/10.5 never heard of them
Anyone eles is invited to weight in as well
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I don't think there is enough room to put transfer case between the axles I had thought about if the thrust of powering it backwards would wear the bearings or gears. Maybe I'll take it apart and check it out. I was thinking about either trying to come up with twin 4link setups with coils or airbags, or depending on how far I need to space out the axles, find some short springs, or mount one set of normal springs inboard of the frame. I'm most concerned about the rear axle driveshaft getting hit by the axle tube of the front one. Again, depending on the spacing, I may put a steady bearing on top of the front axle, or run the shaft high with steady bearing and drop it down steep like a shortbed lifted truck would have it. Won't know until I do it. Or find/make one of those pinion offset gearboxes... Major hyjack of the original topic. Back to 4door supercab extended bed... How about extend the frame of a van and put a pickup bed on the back. Then convert to 4x4. Sounds like a redneck limo to me. I say build the truck you want, but I think a 10' bed is more than needed unless you really wanted a truck box and 8' of space.
Your 100% right the crew+supercab+ 10' is completely overkill and almost pointless but I would be using this like a rv with 35" for camping so it more of a because I can type of truck I wanna to something never or rarely done
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It's freakin awesome!!!
I like overkill, it's possibly my second middle name. I'm a fan of excessive overkill. I like huge trucks, fast cars, fast boats, and loud bikes. I helped build a supercab 4door longbed with 38s, to haul a 5th wheel trailer that had a slide in camper on the front and an explorer tough truck on the back.
He needed the supercab space for his 3000watts of stereo.
I'd put rockwells under a schoolbus and use it as a daily driver... Bigger, faster, and louder is always better.
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The ford 10.25 is the rear axle in nearly every mid 80s 3/4 and 1ton truck til 97. The ford 10.5 is the rear in every 3/4 and 1ton from 99 til today, but with disk brakes.
The d80 is fine, dodge uses them and they are very rugged. It's about the same strength, maybe more than the ford, but I haven't heard of any issues with the ford one.
The d80 is fine, dodge uses them and they are very rugged. It's about the same strength, maybe more than the ford, but I haven't heard of any issues with the ford one.