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Old Oct 22, 2013 | 07:36 PM
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issues starting and rough idle

I have an 86 f150 with the inline 6, i recently did a head gasket on it and cant get it to run right after for the life of me. yes its an 86, but all the feed back carb stuff has been removed vac lines plugged ect. has an i belive 82 carter carb along with intake and exhaust manifolds. symptoms are, hard to start, will barely idle when cold, idles rough, no matter where i move the distributor, doesn't like to rev up(till its hot, like running 10mins), will back fire out carb, sometimes die, and sometimes will sputter after i turn the key off, i had none of these issues when i bought it, all came after changing the head gasket.


things i've tryed

-retiming it, by moving the dis.
-new plugs
-putting rvt on carb gasket mating surface

thats about it, tell me what u think
 
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Old Oct 22, 2013 | 07:41 PM
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It still has the computer controlled distributor in it?
 
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Old Oct 22, 2013 | 08:13 PM
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It still has the computer controlled distributor in it?
it might, i wasnt the one that did the swap, oh, and once it gets warm it seems to go away, like revs fine and stuff, but still idles weird
 
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Old Oct 22, 2013 | 08:57 PM
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Sounds like it is very lean. If so, it could be a bad gasket between the intake manifold and head, a bad gasket under the carb, or a large vacuum line cracked or open. In any event, I think it is getting air somewhere that is leaning it out so much during warmup that it won't hardly run.

Get a can of carb or brake cleaner and squirt it at those gaskets while the engine is running. If you get it into the intake the engine will speed up and you'll know where the leak is.
 
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Old Oct 22, 2013 | 09:40 PM
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Sounds like it is very lean. If so, it could be a bad gasket between the intake manifold and head, a bad gasket under the carb, or a large vacuum line cracked or open. In any event, I think it is getting air somewhere that is leaning it out so much during warmup that it won't hardly run.

Get a can of carb or brake cleaner and squirt it at those gaskets while the engine is running. If you get it into the intake the engine will speed up and you'll know where the leak is.
that reminds me, i did that with water but got no results. but when i changed the headgasket, the gaskets didn't break, and are fairly new from what i can tell, so i reused them, bad idea? or at least should have i replaced the intake ones? ill check for unplugged lines tomorrow.
 
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Old Oct 22, 2013 | 09:43 PM
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I almost asked if you re-used the intake gaskets, but didn't. NO! YOU DIDN'T DO THAT!? Bad idea.

I'll bet that's where the problem is. You have a vacuum leak between the head and the intake manifold. You should be able to prove it with a can of brake cleaner.
 
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Old Oct 22, 2013 | 09:52 PM
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I almost asked if you re-used the intake gaskets, but didn't. NO! YOU DIDN'T DO THAT!? Bad idea.

I'll bet that's where the problem is. You have a vacuum leak between the head and the intake manifold. You should be able to prove it with a can of brake cleaner.
so if i do that problem solved u think? lol, i do it on mowers, but mowers are alot different, lol, guess i ll get one nex time im in twon, then now i gotta re fix the timing, cuz i messed with it and it was never broke, lol, me hits head on wall
 
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Old Oct 22, 2013 | 09:56 PM
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I think it will fix it - unless you re-used any other gaskets.
 
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Old Oct 22, 2013 | 10:08 PM
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I think it will fix it - unless you re-used any other gaskets.
lol, just the carb one, and i siliconed it, but its probably the intake leaking
 
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Old Oct 22, 2013 | 10:23 PM
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Pick up a new carb-to-intake gasket while you are there. And don't silicone it.
 
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If you want to fudge a gasket that has fuel going through it, always use permatex either the black or the brown. Silicone won't hold up, it turns to goo when it gets fuel on it.
 
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Old Oct 30, 2013 | 06:43 PM
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ok, i put a new intake gasket in, same stuff, back fires when tryed to give gas, and sometimes dies. so im kinda clueless what else can it be? its fine when cit gets hot, but till then its iffy
 
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Old Oct 30, 2013 | 07:52 PM
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If it is fine hot and not cold then you don't have the choke adjusted properly. But, some of the carbs for the 300 have rivets that have to be drilled out. Check out your choke and if you don't know how don't be afraid to say so.
 
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Old Oct 30, 2013 | 08:22 PM
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it has manual choke, and yes its open, but it idles rough no matter what, when its hot it will rev up and quit backfiring
 
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Old Oct 30, 2013 | 09:27 PM
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Oops. But, you say it is open. Do you mean you don't close it when starting the engine cold?
 
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